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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on July 20, 2025, 08:13:39 am »
20-07-25

Cardio

Jog to gym
Treadmill @ 15 % incline
10 @ 3.6 km/h [110 HR]Man
10 @ 3.8
20 @ 4.0
20 @ 4.2
10 @ 4.3
10 @ 4.4
10 @ 4.5 [128 HR]
122 avg hr overall

Lifting

Dip Machine 4 x Drop
Pulldown 4 x Drop
Pec Dec 3 x Drop
Wide-Grip Row 3 x Drop
Preacher Curl 4 x Drop
Cable OH Extension 4 x Drop

1A Cable Lateral 5 sets
1B Pogo Hops 3x14

Machine OHP 3 x Drop

Notes

Kept it super light on the cardio. Laces long enough on my old Ons that I was able to switch to heel-lock lacing. Again, that may have been a factor, but foot felt great on the jog in, and least pain I have experienced yet on pogo hops

The lateral-pogo hop superset got to be among the most niche gym super sets. Was fun. Did lateral RLRL - pogo - RLRL - pogo - RL - pogo.

Lifting done in 29:30. Amusingly, avg hr for the lifting was 133 (same as max HR in the cardio segment), and with < 60s under 110 HR. Keep trying to remember to hit lap at start/end of every set so I can get an accurate Work:Rest ratio number, but usually am wiped enough after a drop set that pressing a button on my watch is the last thing on my mind. Managed it for like 2/3 of today's session, so my eyeball has it at about 2.5:1 work:rest. A full drop set taking between 90-240s depending on the exercise, how many reps I'm getting per drop, how long it takes to change weight, etc. And rest between exercises usually 30-90s depending on how far apart the machines are, etc.

This is why I don't track load for lifting, either. Waste of time for me. I know the effort is high enough and given I'm doing it post-run and it's semi "on the backburner", I'm not trying to maximise gains or beat PRs. One thing that helps being consistent is that there are a bunch of selectorised machines at the gym that I need to full stack (dips, chest-supported row, pulldown/d-handle row for like 3 reps) so those keep me honest.

Also, man, I am just hungry all the time now. Guess I did over 9 hours in the gym this week, of which 7:30-40 was cardio...
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on July 19, 2025, 11:01:40 am »
starting to think about doing a marathon in the spring, dreaming of qualifying for chicago or even boston by time. so my races over the next ~10 months could look something like:

september 2025: parks half marathon (registered)
october 2025: patapsco 50k (registered)
november 2025: JFK 50 miler (registered)
(february 2026: ~100km FKT attempt?)
april 2026: marathon (e.g., coast guard, delaware, coastal delaware)

to qualify for chicago at age 39, i'd need to run sub 3:00. at age 40 (which i'll turn in late 2026), it goes up to 3:05. boston times are the same on paper but in practice are faster, from what i've read. currently, VDOT calculator estimates i'm in ~3:09 shape, based on my HM time. coros estimates 3:12, but it doesn't know about the weather. either way, sub-3 seems ambitious but not out of the realm of possibility, with increased mileage and consistency. i ran the 1:30 half with only one week at 40 miles and only 6 weeks over 30 miles in the previous 4 months. much room to grow.

not gonna do anything about it right now, i've got the two ultras this year to get through and that's enough to plan for. but it's fun to think about.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on July 19, 2025, 10:30:55 am »
- run 1:03:17 w/ 6 x 30s @ 5k-->mile pace, rest = time for HR to come back under 140
mini-fartlek starting at 4km just to keep things fun. overall HR average 134. T+DI 157.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on July 19, 2025, 08:11:29 am »
19-07-25

Jog to gym
Treadmill @ 15% incline
5 @ 4.0
5 @ 6.1 [147 HR]
5 @ 6.3 [161]
3 @ 6.5 [172, 35 RR]
1 @ 3.5
Treadmill @ 2%
1 @ 9
3:30 @ 13.5 [169]
1:30 @ 8
5 @ 13 [170, 35 RR]
2 @ 8
3 @ 10
Treadmill @ 4.0
5 @ 11.5 [172]
Treadmill @ 15
2 @ 4.0
5 @ 6.2 [172, 33 RR]
17 @ 4.0

Seated Hamstring Curl 3 x Drop
A Calf Raise
134 x 6, 5
B Leg Press
120 x 8, 7
OL Calf
52x6+4+3
Leg Ext 2 x Drop
(Ab/ad)duction superset, 2 each

Notes

Insane rain and storm this morning so we bailed on the Parkrun.

21 consecutive mins running in the middle of this, with pain no greater than 2/10, and usually 0/10. Also felt basically 0 pain jogging to gym. Wore the Vomeros for the first time in ages for this. Typically had been using Cliftons or a retired pair of Cloudmonsters for gym stuff since those are the running shoes I find most comfortable for walking.

Possible, then, that the Vomeros contributed as much as actual recovery to this feeling better on the foot. They're no less of a neutral shoe than anything else I run in, so I doubt it's because of any stability feature per se. That said, they are the only one of my primary shoes that have long enough laces for me to do the heel lock lacing techniques. Pretty sure that I have read that (a) tighter lacing and (b) using all available eyelets are have both been found to reduce symptoms from PTT/stability issues. So, that would make sense here.

Saucony Tempus 2 looking tempting as well. Seems hard to find a stability shoe that is tempo/session compatible (well obvs you can do sessions in anything, but it's more fun when the shoe is fun).
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on July 18, 2025, 03:43:34 pm »
18-07-25

Jog to gym

Treadmill incline walk x 50 mins [121 avg hr, progressed from 4kmh/13% up to 4.4kmh/15% doing a notch of pace or incline every 10 mins]

Machine Chest Press 3 x Drop
Pec Dec 2 x Drop
D-Handle Seated Row 3 x Drop
Preacher Curls 3 x Drop

Jog home

Notes

lots of poor sleep this week so just felt zonked for this one. was up earlier than intended so just went to gym early, though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

love d-handle rows, feel great on the lats

preachers leave my biceps so wrecked. took genuin eeffort ot bend my arms until like noon today lol

surprisingly still enjoying just walking hard on the treadmill, lmao
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on July 17, 2025, 03:40:21 pm »
got results back from the sweat test. levelen has a pretty good reputation, from what i've read, but still taking these results with a grain of salt (no pun intended) because it's just a single test taken in a non-clinical setting.

  • i lost about 1.2L of sweat during the run, which is in line with what i already knew from previous weight tests. the recommendation to drink 26-30 oz of water per hour (770-890 mL) is also in line with what i'd already learned. turns out i'm in the 45th percentile for sweat rate, or what they call the "moderate" range. i'm not surprised to be in the fat part of the bell curve, but i am a little surprised to be below average. the more you know.
  • i lost 1568mg or about 3/4 tsp of salt (NaCl) during the run, which is in the 61st percentile, or "significant" range, per levelen. the report recommends including some carbs along with salt in exercise drink because your body doesn't absorb the salt as efficiently without the presence of carbs. that is interesting, hadn't read that before.
  • of course, levelen is a supplement company, so the report comes with recommendations for how to use their products to best replace what i'm losing. fortunately, it's not hard to extrapolate to a recipe i can make at home.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Last post by Joe on July 17, 2025, 03:29:14 pm »
17-07-25

Jog to gym

Treadmill --
Walk
10 @ 15/4.5
10 @ 15/6.0 (154 HR avg)
5 @ 15/6.3 (170, 33 RR)
3 @ 10/4
Run
2 @ 1.5/10
5 @ 1.5/13.8 (168, 35 RR)
3 @ 1.5/9
Walk
2 @ 15/4
5 @ 15/6.1 (166, 33 RR)
5 @ 11/4

(Ab/ad)duction machine superset, 2 each way

Jog home

1:03:57 total

Notes

Nice. Foot again pretty much fine, even with 5 mins at a good clip. 18 mins total running or so. 25 mins SubT, decent workout.
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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: DISTANCE RUNNING INDEX
« Last post by LBSS on July 17, 2025, 03:18:59 pm »
https://www.outsideonline.com/health/nutrition/takes-to-run-and-recover-100-miles

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40239961/

Quote
High total energy expenditure (TEE) and rate of water turnover (rH2O) using doubly labeled water (2H218O) have been reported during single-stage and multistage ultraendurance events. At the 161-km distance, less is known about the interaction of TEE, rH2O, and ad libitum energy/fluid intake. This is especially true during the postrace recovery window.

Purpose: To measure TEE, rH2O, and ad libitum energy/fluid intake during a 161-km ultramarathon while extending the TEE and rH2O measurement window to a 7-day postrace period.

Methods: Doubly labeled water was used to monitor TEE and rH2O in 2 male ultrarunners (R1, R2) during a 161-km ultramarathon. Self-reported energy/fluid intake was recorded at crew-accessible aid stations.

Results: Both runners completed the race in 32.8 hours, and TEE over this period was 65.8 MJ (6.5 × basal metabolic rate [BMR], 15,723 kcal, 11,225 kcal·24 h-1) in R1 and 66.5 MJ (7.4 ×BMR, 15,888 kcal, 11,293 kcal·24 h-1) in R2. Race energy intake for both runners approximated 50% of TEE, with reported fluid consumption of 21.8 L and 15.7 L for R1 and R2, respectively. rH2O during the race was 14.6 L in R1 and 15.5 L in R2. During the 7-day postrace period, total TEE and rH2O were 94.7 MJ (1.9 ×BMR, 22,634 kcal, 3245 kcal·d-1) and 41.8 L for R1 and 80.0 MJ (1.8 ×BMR, 19,116 kcal, 2721 kcal·d-1) and 24.0 L for R2, respectively.

Conclusion: These data illustrate the expected nutrient and fluid budgets for ultramarathons and describe the challenge of restoring acute negative energy balance following these events.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Last post by LBSS on July 17, 2025, 08:18:58 am »
- run 1:11:48, 12.36 km
T+DI 160, there was steam rising off the trees in the park. HR average 125. one thing that helps about the hard days being actually hard is that it's easier to keep it easy on easy days. body's just tired.

next week will deload.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Raptor's log
« Last post by Raptor on July 16, 2025, 04:04:35 pm »
Gym work 33:

Bench press:

20x6
60x3x9
60x5 (very difficult, supported last rep)


Seated cable pulls to chest:

60x10
80x10
100x8,7

Deadlift:

20x5
60x5
80x5
100x5
100x5 (pretty easy)


Leg extensions + leg curls:

40x15, 60x15 + 60x10, 80x6+64x4+48x4+32x5 (or something like that, a continuous set)

Bodyweight: 89.4 kg (-1.3 kg)
Exhaustion level: 9/10

Comments:

Experimentally went to the gym at 18:30 and it was as bad as anticipated: 28 people in the gym and very hot. All places were occupied. Even so, we managed to do a decent job with what we had.
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