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Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« on: January 07, 2011, 05:02:12 am »
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For a beginner looking to increase explosiveness, would it be better to be top heavy or bottom heavy starting out?
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 09:05:14 am »
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Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 07, 2011, 05:02:12 am
For a beginner looking to increase explosiveness, would it be better to be top heavy or bottom heavy starting out?

What?
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2011, 10:24:40 am »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 07, 2011, 09:05:14 am
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 07, 2011, 05:02:12 am
For a beginner looking to increase explosiveness, would it be better to be top heavy or bottom heavy starting out?

What?

I have no idea. I like both a big butt and big breasts so I think both.
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2011, 12:13:10 pm »
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you cant change where you store fat, so it doesnt matter whats "better"
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2011, 12:18:00 pm »
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Quote from: Damien on January 07, 2011, 12:13:10 pm
you cant change where you store fat, so it doesnt matter whats "better"

Yeah what he's saying is really weird. And "better" for what anyway?

If anything, a lower center of mass is worse for jumping than a higher center of mass but whatever :ninja:
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 01:38:25 pm »
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Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 07, 2011, 11:06:16 am
For a person that has excess body fat, is it more advantageous to be top heavy or bottom heavy when starting out?

Example: Person A and person b are both fatass with 30% body fat.

A is top heavy, b is bottom heavy.  Who will make better progress based on given info.

What the fuck are you talking about? Progress on what? What info do you think you've provided there? Wait, wait, sorry, I've got it. Bottom heavy. No, wait, top heavy. Definitely top heavy, because once they start lifting weights, the top-heavy persons legs will have been stronger to begin with because they're farther from the ground, so their legs had to fight gravity more. Definitely that.
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 02:05:31 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 07, 2011, 01:38:25 pm
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 07, 2011, 11:06:16 am
For a person that has excess body fat, is it more advantageous to be top heavy or bottom heavy when starting out?

Example: Person A and person b are both fatass with 30% body fat.

A is top heavy, b is bottom heavy.  Who will make better progress based on given info.

What the fuck are you talking about? Progress on what? What info do you think you've provided there? Wait, wait, sorry, I've got it. Bottom heavy. No, wait, top heavy. Definitely top heavy, because once they start lifting weights, the top-heavy persons legs will have been stronger to begin with because they're farther from the ground, so their legs had to fight gravity more. Definitely that.

Ah, that makes perfect sense.






















































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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 02:58:22 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 07, 2011, 01:38:25 pm
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 07, 2011, 11:06:16 am
For a person that has excess body fat, is it more advantageous to be top heavy or bottom heavy when starting out?

Example: Person A and person b are both fatass with 30% body fat.

A is top heavy, b is bottom heavy.  Who will make better progress based on given info.

What the fuck are you talking about? Progress on what? What info do you think you've provided there? Wait, wait, sorry, I've got it. Bottom heavy. No, wait, top heavy. Definitely top heavy, because once they start lifting weights, the top-heavy persons legs will have been stronger to begin with because they're farther from the ground, so their legs had to fight gravity more. Definitely that.

lol, I wasted 1/4 of a protein shake on the floor when I saw this btw
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 04:10:46 pm »
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Quote from: LanceSTS on January 07, 2011, 02:58:22 pm
Quote from: LBSS on January 07, 2011, 01:38:25 pm
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 07, 2011, 11:06:16 am
For a person that has excess body fat, is it more advantageous to be top heavy or bottom heavy when starting out?

Example: Person A and person b are both fatass with 30% body fat.

A is top heavy, b is bottom heavy.  Who will make better progress based on given info.

What the fuck are you talking about? Progress on what? What info do you think you've provided there? Wait, wait, sorry, I've got it. Bottom heavy. No, wait, top heavy. Definitely top heavy, because once they start lifting weights, the top-heavy persons legs will have been stronger to begin with because they're farther from the ground, so their legs had to fight gravity more. Definitely that.

lol, I wasted 1/4 of a protein shake on the floor when I saw this btw

So if we want to sabotage Lance from now on, we have to make sure we send stupid PMs to him and flood him. Guaranteed he's losing weight if we do it. :ibjumping:
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2011, 07:38:07 pm »
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Person B, because of the increased leverage a higher center of gravity provides. That is - if they have the same structure, Person B will jump higher. But since you're saying they have the same VJ, that means they don't have the same structure so Person A will probably respond better to the fat loss.

But this is HIGHLY theoretical and you shouldn't ever worry about that since there are SOOO many other things to consider.
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2011, 08:52:46 pm »
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bottom heavy



can't do anything about where your fat is stored, so regardless of whether you are top heavy or bottom heavy, it has to come off if you want peak performance.. that said, having fat on 'top' would be more detrimental to performance i would be pretty certain, it just creates too much extra torque for the lower body to handle..
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 09:15:53 pm »
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Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 08, 2011, 06:40:50 am
Quote from: Raptor on January 07, 2011, 07:38:07 pm
Person B, because of the increased leverage a higher center of gravity provides. That is - if they have the same structure, Person B will jump higher. But since you're saying they have the same VJ, that means they don't have the same structure so Person A will probably respond better to the fat loss.

But this is HIGHLY theoretical and you shouldn't ever worry about that since there are SOOO many other things to consider.

AH, Ok.  So person B is in better current shape (for a leaper) and person A would respond better to fat loss/training because he would get rid of the lower body fat, as person B has less lower body fat to lose and more upper body fat to lose.

I have another great hypothetical. Best friends, one named George and the other named Andre. Who's likely to dunk first if they start training at the same time?
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 05:46:58 am »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 08, 2011, 09:15:53 pm
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on January 08, 2011, 06:40:50 am
Quote from: Raptor on January 07, 2011, 07:38:07 pm
Person B, because of the increased leverage a higher center of gravity provides. That is - if they have the same structure, Person B will jump higher. But since you're saying they have the same VJ, that means they don't have the same structure so Person A will probably respond better to the fat loss.

But this is HIGHLY theoretical and you shouldn't ever worry about that since there are SOOO many other things to consider.

AH, Ok.  So person B is in better current shape (for a leaper) and person A would respond better to fat loss/training because he would get rid of the lower body fat, as person B has less lower body fat to lose and more upper body fat to lose.

I have another great hypothetical. Best friends, one named George and the other named Andre. Who's likely to dunk first if they start training at the same time?

Well George, because he has more vowels in his name. Or maybe Andre because his name is shorter? :ninja:
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 01:48:23 pm »
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A better observation would be how the body-fat is stored. If you knew how to differentiate potential visceral adipose tissue from subcutaneous distribution you'd have a pretty decent barometer of athletic potential.  Performance in speed-strength activities correlates strongly with tesosterone level, which correlates with FT fiber expression and VAT storage.

An easier observation is just look at the hands and the 2D:4D ratio. A longer ring (the 4th) finger indicates greater testosterone exposure in the womb and likely greater testosterone expression in adulthood.  If your pointing finger is longer than ring finger you're likely not as testosterone dominant and vice versa. If the 4th finger on one hand is noticeably longer than the one on the other hand that indicates very good testosterone sensitivity. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
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Re: Top heavy vs bottom heavy
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 01:57:34 pm »
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haha, my ring finger is enormous...that's good right?
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