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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2430 on: May 13, 2014, 09:31:28 pm »
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sunday played tennis with my dad until it got dark.

yesterday worked until 11 PM so no workout. foam rollered and stretched and went to bed.

tonight:

WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: toes esp. left toe, left shoulder, front and back of neck, jaws -- i think i'm getting sick? feel fine other than this weird neck pain
MENTAL STATE: good but tired

- warm up

- LRLRLR bound x 4
getting smoother

- sprint 30m x 3; 60m x 2; 100m x 2
4.4 for the 30s, 13.2 for the 100s

then came lightning.  :pissed:

- walk home

- stretch

i wonder if my focus should be on the longer stuff, 60s and up. i'm okay to 30m, 4.4 gives me a predicted 100 of 11.7, which would thrill me obviously. that's mutumb0000 speed, avishek speed. so clearly top speed and speed maintenance are bigger problems. and considering that sprinting is really GPP for me and jumping is the more important goal, shouldn't i be spending more time getting those max-effort ground contacts in? does that even make sense?

later in the evening:

- lacrosse ball work in shoulders
« Last Edit: May 14, 2014, 08:41:37 pm by LBSS »
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2431 on: May 14, 2014, 03:45:43 am »
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I don't think you're getting sick... I think you're sore from that tennis that you played
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2432 on: May 14, 2014, 11:51:24 am »
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I don't think you're getting sick... I think you're sore from that tennis that you played

doubtful. this wasn't soreness, more like sharp pain on certain movements. and i've never had neck pain from tennis before, and the intensity on sunday was very low.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2433 on: May 14, 2014, 08:45:34 pm »
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WEIGHT: 176
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none (!)
MENTAL STATE: very, very tired

- warm up

- SLRVJ and short-approach DLRVJ x ~30 total jumps

- bench 180 x 14 :uhhhfacepalm:
should have had the last rep but overthought it and failed halway up. god damn it. well, i'll try again some other time and i'm sure i'll get it.

- high kroc row 80 x 15R,15L

- RDL 135 x 10,10,10
no lower back pain. success. will build this up very slowly.

- superset x 6,5,4,3,2,1
-- dip
-- pull up

- decline sit up +18 x 5 +0 x 5
back not happy with these

- pallof press 50 x 10,10

- stretch

not a horrible workout considering how fatigued i am. this week has been tough at work and i've had trouble sleeping.

later:

- hip opening

- wrist stretches
« Last Edit: May 14, 2014, 11:55:24 pm by LBSS »
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2434 on: May 15, 2014, 04:42:43 am »
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Meh,at least you benched my max 14 times.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2435 on: May 15, 2014, 06:34:49 am »
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Meh,at least you benched my max 14 times.

The only that says is you're really weak at bench press, nothing more, nothing else. Look at the NBA draft combine scores for the 180lb bp test, and these are basketball players who are not build for benching, long wiry arms, small joints, etc.  This place has some really weak bench presssers (i'm one of them). We should really raise our game. And no i dont want to hear 'i dont care about bench' stfu, that's just an excuse weak people use, not like we're beasting C&J or jumping 50" that we have an excuse for neglecting the squat of the upper body..
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2436 on: May 15, 2014, 06:42:18 am »
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Good luck with that. I've benched pretty consistently in the last 6 years, and my 8RM never exceeded 65 kg. Genetics, baby!
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2437 on: May 15, 2014, 07:03:15 am »
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Good luck with that. I've benched pretty consistently in the last 6 years, and my 8RM never exceeded 65 kg. Genetics, baby!

Hard to sympathise with that raptor. I've got a 6'7" wingspan and i'm obv not build for bp, my arms are 13-14" on a good day. Still, i can do your 8RM for sets of close grip bp any time even if i haven't bp for ages. And that's still pathetic to me because no one who has lifted for as long as you or i should be talking about benching 1 plate as if it's not a complete embarrassment. I've used smolov jnr to work up to 10x3x90kg in the past, and as recently as this year, i worked up to 96x3 cg while only benching once or twice a fortnight. The only reason i've settled for such mediocrity is because i haven't applied myself to doing better, but im going re-address that this year. Will work up to 100x3 in the next few months and then do a smolov jnr to get a half decent 1rm of 115kg/250lb, esp for close grip, that's a good goal for me. I'd like to be in that 120-140kg range long term though.
Goals: Cutting to 6-8% bodyfat

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2438 on: May 15, 2014, 07:30:59 am »
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Why is it that hard? That's just how I've always been. Why aren't you bench pressing 4x? Why aren't powerlifters bench pressing 10x? Why not 10423842958 x?

You're just saying stuff like we're all the same and have the same built, CNS, and another 2578934534753847 parameters. The fact that I've been training SPECIFICALLY for the squat in the last 6-7 years CONSISTENTLY and I still haven't reached 2x should tell you a thing or two about my body.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2439 on: May 15, 2014, 09:05:27 am »
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Why is it that hard? That's just how I've always been. Why aren't you bench pressing 4x? Why aren't powerlifters bench pressing 10x? Why not 10423842958 x?

You're just saying stuff like we're all the same and have the same built, CNS, and another 2578934534753847 parameters. The fact that I've been training SPECIFICALLY for the squat in the last 6-7 years CONSISTENTLY and I still haven't reached 2x should tell you a thing or two about my body.

...your body has been doing it wrong?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2440 on: May 15, 2014, 10:07:07 am »
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Why is it that hard? That's just how I've always been. Why aren't you bench pressing 4x? Why aren't powerlifters bench pressing 10x? Why not 10423842958 x?

You're just saying stuff like we're all the same and have the same built, CNS, and another 2578934534753847 parameters. The fact that I've been training SPECIFICALLY for the squat in the last 6-7 years CONSISTENTLY and I still haven't reached 2x should tell you a thing or two about my body.

...your body has been doing it wrong?

How wrong can you do a fucking bench press? Even more, how wrong can you do it when you are pressing only 65kg? He is NOT doing it wrong, he just ain't progressing. I am the same. Have been consistent with bench for years and i am stuck at the same numbers , 1RM around 85kg. Would i be pressing more if i did it more than once a week? Of course yes. Would i be pressing 15x85kg like LBSS? No, i will never be there. But i have been pulling with the exact same frequency and for some weird reason pulls keep improving, being able to chin 10@100kg and lat-pull-down 8x200lbs now. I didn't do anything special in either pressing or pulling, the pulls just respond better on their own. Different strokes for different folks!



The only that says is you're really weak at bench press, nothing more, nothing else.

Agree. That is what he was trying to say too though.



Look at the NBA draft combine scores for the 180lb bp test, and these are basketball players who are not build for benching, long wiry arms, small joints, etc.

I call bullshit!!!
Not only making the performance of NBA pro athletes and raptor comparable just because 'they have long arms' is ridiculous, but the results are not what you think either.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2013&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=14
Only 20 got more reps than LBSS , 16 of them are over 200lbs too. Look at the bottom of the list, so many 200+lbs guys ( at SINGLE digits bodyfats , so pro athletes with over 180lbs of LBM ) getting less than 5 reps!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2441 on: May 15, 2014, 10:36:08 am »
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jesus, i was kidding.

my body is built very well for squatting and benching: i have short arms and legs and a long torso, with broad shoulders relative to my waist and naturally* a fairly big chest, butt, and quads. i have a friend who did starting strength and GOMAD a few years ago and got his squat and DL to respectable if not impressive levels (given how consistently he worked), but never got his bench over like 225-230 even when he weighed 215. meanwhile i'm about to try to hit 225x5,5,5 at 175, without focusing on it or trying especially hard. i've squatted 2x bw on a few occasions.

meanwhile, i seriously doubt i could chin my bw+20kg (100kg) ten times and raptor's DL dwarfs anything i've ever done. plus i'd trade being naturally okay at benching for being naturally okay at jumping in a fucking heartbeat.

in other news, my low back/SI joint is bothering me today. i blame the RDL.

*for the most part: i don't weigh much more than i did five years ago, have never really committed to a bulk, and my proportions are roughly the same, so i'm going to say that most of the mass i do have would be there even without lifting.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 10:39:11 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2442 on: May 15, 2014, 12:36:27 pm »
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Yeah I'm MUCH better at pulling. It was always easy for me. Pulling of any kind. Deadlift, pullups, chinups, rows (though I never do barbell rows) of all kinds. I can do narrow grip cable rows with 120 kg (the heaviest the machine can go) for like 8 reps. I have seen only one guy in my gym doing that, and he's ~40 kg heavier than me (~90 lbs heavier).

Same with jumping - "pulling" myself in the air as in a one-leg jump where I don't bend my knees to jump is easy, whereas "pushing" myself up is very difficult.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2443 on: May 15, 2014, 01:05:58 pm »
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Fair, thought you were serious. Now that i re-read my post it looks aggressive which was not my intention at all.
Also, no matter what you are 'built for' , i am totally with entropy in still trying to improve it. Bench press is a basic upper compound movement and we should all keep trying to get better at it, even if those improved numbers will still be girlie-weak for me and raptor.
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« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 01:43:16 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2444 on: May 15, 2014, 03:59:01 pm »
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:/ I love basketball and the NBA has elite athletes but their combine is a joke. Basketball isnt a game that can be determined in the weight room. Its soooo skill dominated.  That said yea...id bet some of those guys could benefit from a hard off season in the weight room but only if it doesn't diminish their skill set. Nit so easily done. I like looking at the skill position numbers from the NFL combine. Those guys are explosive. Train like them and you will see gains. Its just hard to do that and have the gas/recovery for a skills workout as well. :(

That said...no ones going to progress very far doing anything 1x a week. Also, it may not be that your body is doing it wrong but rather you're training it wrong? Just my .02
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