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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2265 on: January 24, 2014, 10:49:30 am »
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god i wanna do 5/3/1 so, so bad.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2266 on: January 24, 2014, 05:29:30 pm »
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WEIGHT: 173.5
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- RVJ out to four-step
34.5-35, very good. touched rim off SVJ during warm up and was even maybe a half knuckle over, so ~30.5. not at PR-tie levels on RVJ but i got cut off early when a flood of children rushed into the damn court and started running around everywhere.

- paused ATG squat 245 x 3,3

- squat 185 x 20

- bench 185 x 5,5
something tweaked in my left hand (?) during the second set, stopped

- pull up x 8+3+3+3

- assisted natural GHR x 8,8,8

- superset x 3
-- DB shrug 45s x 15
-- curl 25s x 10
-- press down 100 x 10; 80 x 10

- superset x 2
-- hanging leg raise x 10
-- cable hip thrust 100 x 10

- stretch
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2267 on: January 26, 2014, 10:42:22 am »
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35''.....  Your reach is about 1 inch below mine right?   At 35'' I think you might need to start practicing boune dunks or catching alley-oops no?  That's gotta be a decent distance above the rim... With a deload and a small cut I imagine you can't be that far off...

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2268 on: January 26, 2014, 04:38:38 pm »
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i feel like to catch a lob i need to be at least hitting the base of my palm on the rim. that's ~37, or about an inch higher than my all-time PR, which was a few weeks ago. 35 is enough to dunk something i can easily palm but not quite enough for a basketball.

that said, yes, on a peak jump on a peak day i think i have enough height now to (weakly) dunk a lob. time to start practicing self-lobs if only to get good at them so when i do have the height i can commence to putting the ball down through the rim.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2269 on: January 26, 2014, 07:16:33 pm »
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WEIGHT: 174.5
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: left shoulder
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- jumps x 30 minutes or so
got a couple of solid clean dunks with the mini soccer ball and a few more with the dodgeball. easily in the 34-35 range, so not at PR-tie levels. pretty good. touched rim several times off right SLRVJ, missed each try (of four) off left. SVJ during warm up was barely 30 or just below.

- superset x 5
-- DB swing 45 x 10
-- inverted row x 10 (alternated pronated/supinated grip)
-- dip x 8
minimal rest between exercises/sets

- decline sit up 18 x 10,10,10

- stretch

great workout, was just expecting to do the DB swing circuit and some core stuff to get the juices flowing but the court was empty when i got there. score one for luke. did a lot of jumps, clear drop off toward the end but could still consistently get 33. peak not there, though.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2270 on: January 27, 2014, 08:17:34 am »
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It seems like you have managed to establish this level as "normal" for you which is great news. That means PR level will be at above this one and that you'll get these kinds of performances as stable events for you.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2271 on: January 27, 2014, 09:43:19 am »
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^^^so i hope. on that note, i took a pic of my hand so you can see the progression of my "normal" jump, i.e., the height i can get on an average day. the callouses, from where i grab the rim, tell the story. mid-palm is not a callous yet, just a little scrape in the middle there.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2272 on: January 27, 2014, 09:55:51 am »
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You only really need to get your thumb over the rim to "dunk" it, and obviously synchronize the jump with the lob perfectly.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2273 on: January 27, 2014, 11:18:48 am »
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You only really need to get your thumb over the rim to "dunk" it, and obviously synchronize the jump with the lob perfectly.

Agree.
But you need to get the whole palm above rim to dunk it instead of "dunking" it. You can get some "dunks" in being at a 10'5'' 10'6'' touch. It would be either a perfect lob that you slapped in, or being able to palm the ball really good and at the edge of your fingers and sync everything perfectly to break the wrist at the tiny time window that the ball is above the rim. But to dunk-dunk, you must be able to get at least 8'' above the rim. I used to lose most of the dunks when i was jumping 8'' above rim actually,  i would land like 1 out of 10. I needed to be at 9''-10'' above to make almost every attempt.
Just 2c from my n=1.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2274 on: January 27, 2014, 11:50:44 am »
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i need to start bringing my own ball to the gym, the balls they have there suck mightily and don't bounce high enough. need a super-inflated ball like adarq used to use. or someone to throw me lobs, but that's unlikely.

a "dunk" would basically be the most exciting thing i've ever done, let alone a dunk. perfect lob, perfect timing, rattle it in off the back iron? mission accomplished. i guess i've got the height now according to y'all. but a dunk would obviously be better and i'm still 1.5-2 inches shy.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2275 on: January 27, 2014, 12:57:14 pm »
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Some related stuff about those last couple inches and how much above you need to be : http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/lastlittlebit.html

I am sure i have posted it again and you have read it too back then but oh, well!  ;D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2276 on: January 27, 2014, 01:36:42 pm »
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You say that LBSS....then you dunk and its....



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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2277 on: January 27, 2014, 01:52:31 pm »
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Some related stuff about those last couple inches and how much above you need to be : http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/lastlittlebit.html

I am sure i have posted it again and you have read it too back then but oh, well!  ;D

thanks vag, i'd read that before but not in a long time. i've been breaking down my approach, as you know, and it's helped a lot. this gives another way to do that, which i'll try next time i'm jumping. i'm obviously a hop jumper.

@chris, i'm sure you're right! at the moment, though, "dunking" at all will feel like the apex of my life.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2014, 01:55:13 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2278 on: January 27, 2014, 11:07:36 pm »
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WEIGHT: 174.5
SORENESS: neck, hip flexors, hamstrings
ACHES/INJURIES: left shoulder
MENTAL STATE: okay, a little out of it

- warm up

- SVJ x 6 and a few more jumps of various kinds

- paused squat 245 x 3,3

- superset x 5
-- bench 95 x 10
-- lat pull down 100 x 10

- band pull aparts x 10,10
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2279 on: January 28, 2014, 01:39:29 am »
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Maybe continuing to practice will make you a 1-2 plant jumper over time and that will give you the extra 1-2 inches.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps