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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6240 on: June 15, 2025, 10:39:16 am »
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migraine started friday night and is just now starting to dissipate close to midday on sunday. not an auspicious first week for my 50-miler build.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6241 on: June 16, 2025, 08:20:15 am »
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ended up being quite out of it all day yesterday as well, although the debilitating headache part was over by around 11 AM. i wonder if i've been having more-frequent migraines than i thought, i.e., if some of the prolonged, debilitating headaches i get every couple of months (or maybe every three? or four? idk, i wish i'd been keeping better track) and have thought of as "tension" headaches have been migraines this whole time. the "tension headache" idea goes back to the ER doctor i saw in london back in 2019, who prescribed a self-massage machine for me to use on my shoulders and upper back. i do carry tension there, and while self-massage sometimes helps during headaches it doesn't make them go away. and it made sense to think of the two types of headaches as different, because i also, more rarely, get an aura followed by a *much* more severe headache and vomiting. that type is a very classic, unmistakable migraine.

a bit of searching around online finds stress and "intense emotions" as a common trigger. i was furious on friday about something at work - the way one of my colleagues had treated another, closer colleague - and that on top of the stress of having so much family in the house for the prior week-plus might well be what set it off. in the past i have definitely associated the kind of headache i had this weekend with accumulated, sublimated stress. tension headaches are also apparently usually bilateral, and mine are almost always focused on one side, usually in the temple and behind my eye, and usually but not always on the right.

requested an appointment with a neurologist at the same hospital my GP works out of, hope i can get in soon and find out more.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6242 on: June 16, 2025, 06:53:14 pm »
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- warm up

- hamstring extended ISO holds 2 x 8 x 5s/leg

- hamstring 90-degree ISO holds 2 x 8 x 5s/leg

- SLRDL +20 2 x 8/leg

- band dislocate/OHP x 8,8

- hamstring/sciatic nerve flossing 2 x 8/leg

- superset x 2
-- RDL 135 x 10
-- step up +20 x 10/leg

superset x 2
-- pull up x 5
-- roman chair anterior core hold x 15s
-- dip x 5

still feel kinda shitty but managed to get through this in one piece.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6243 on: June 17, 2025, 08:11:08 am »
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was starting to get a little headache on the left posterior side of my head yesterday evening and woke up with it having intensified. it isn't as bad as the migraine was so i managed to drag myself out for a run, hoping that i'd loosen up and it'd go away. partial success. very frustrating.

- run 56:06, 10.00 km
cool but humidity extremely high
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6244 on: June 18, 2025, 05:49:49 pm »
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later in the day yesterday the headache faded and then returned as a worse migraine than the one i'd had over the weekend. ended up vomiting and then going to the ER, where they gave me a super-NSAID plus anti-emetic plus diphenhydramine and a liter of saline and sent me home. next time i need to go to the ER for something non-life-threatening, i'll go back to that one (georgetown). today i've felt basically hungover, there was obviously no way i could do anything resembling training. definitely time to see a neurologist.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6245 on: June 19, 2025, 08:25:59 am »
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migraine started friday night and is just now starting to dissipate close to midday on sunday. not an auspicious first week for my 50-miler build.

update: or second week, obviously. woke up this morning without a headache for the first time since last friday. will go for a cautious run later, probably inside because it's hot today and that just seems like asking for trouble.

btw @joe, i watched a short from will o'connor where he talks about how easy it is for a run with hills on it to slip out of zone 2 when you're climbing, even if HR doesn't change. apparently, if you're aerobically fit enough, you can buffer the extra costs of running uphill for a little while (i guess longer and/or steeper the fitter you are) without it affecting HR. an argument in your favor against relying on HR as the primary metric. seems like you can kinda fudge a power-based workout with just the watch but to do it right you have to get a stryd pod. oh boy, more gear... :uhhhfacepalm: i'll probably stick with HR as the main thing and use pace for intervals.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2025, 09:10:03 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6246 on: June 19, 2025, 03:56:12 pm »
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migraine started friday night and is just now starting to dissipate close to midday on sunday. not an auspicious first week for my 50-miler build.

update: or second week, obviously. woke up this morning without a headache for the first time since last friday. will go for a cautious run later, probably inside because it's hot today and that just seems like asking for trouble.

btw @joe, i watched a short from will o'connor where he talks about how easy it is for a run with hills on it to slip out of zone 2 when you're climbing, even if HR doesn't change. apparently, if you're aerobically fit enough, you can buffer the extra costs of running uphill for a little while (i guess longer and/or steeper the fitter you are) without it affecting HR. an argument in your favor against relying on HR as the primary metric. seems like you can kinda fudge a power-based workout with just the watch but to do it right you have to get a stryd pod. oh boy, more gear... :uhhhfacepalm: i'll probably stick with HR as the main thing and use pace for intervals.

gotta be honest that read like bs and i went to watch and i still think that's bs. first of all, stryd/power meters for running stink. secondly, if you're buffering that stuff, then like so what it's probably not really creating extra fatigue? and third, like who cares if it's a "zone 2" run (love this interview for debunking the zone 2 hype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6DhfMJH84E -- gist, in terms of adaptation, doesn't really matter that much what zone you're in, just aim for whatever combination let's you accumulate the most training).

way i think easy runs is that hr is great for setting an upper bound, b/c if you're below some arbitrary fairly low number (i use 70%, which probably puts me in zone 1 rather than 2 anyway), you're defo going easy enough. pace fine too but hr does a better job of keeping me honest (you can see how slow i go, when the same calculators i use for interval paces are saying i should be doing like 5:50 or whatever for easy runs), and i have to take my easy runs very easy so i can do 3 sessions a week.

and yeah, for intervals, i like pace as the like framework, and then hr as the progression metric, kind of like sticking with the same weight/reps and having more reps in reserve over time.

I read this article the other day: https://modeltheruncom.wpcomstaging.com/2025/05/17/respiration-rate-1/

that left me feeling very intrigued by respiration rate as a metric. have been counting breaths during some sessions to try and build an internal sense of where various thresholds sit in relation to each other. might try out the step test this weekend on a treadmill if i feel like hiding from the sun for the saturday session.

Also, wishing you the best with the migraines!
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6247 on: June 19, 2025, 06:17:28 pm »
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yeah honestly the more i thought about it, the more ridiculous it seemed.

at any rate, it's fun to think about the different angles and the nerdy stuff but let's be real: i am at a pretty modest level of fitness and my concerns should be (1) consistency and (2) getting overall volume up. 80%+ of volume at easy effort, two hard workouts per week, and at least one but ideally two dedicated strength workouts per week. worrying about power is just a silly aside.

how do you mean, counting breaths? i use steps-per-breath as a rough proxy for effort, which is something that daniels talks about.

- dreadmill "hills" x 50:00, 8.38 km

- strength circuit
-- 2 x [3-way calf raise x 10; tib raise x 15]
-- 2 x [band walk x 20/side; SLRDL +20 x 8/leg]
-- 2 x [ISO heel floating BSS x 30s; med ball hamstring curl x 12]
-- 2 x [SL sideways hops x 25; deep squat hold x 45s
-- pull ups myo reps x 8+3+3+2
-- dips myo reps +10 x 8+3+3
-- pallof press +12.5 x 10,10/side

good workout.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6248 on: Today at 04:26:15 am »
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I meant breaths per minute. Less confounders than trying to pair with steps since cadence changes with pace (for me at least), and also counting two things at once is hard.

Check out the article i linked in my previous post, it's a nice overview on using respiration rate as an effort proxy.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #6249 on: Today at 09:12:09 am »
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that was interesting. i'm not sure i'm going to start using it imminently, but i like the guy's style. funny to note that the first comment is a reference for more fancy gear. clicked through to the norwegian singles article and that seems like it would be interesting to try, maybe next year if i manage to get through this year with a real build up in training consistency and volume. i kind of have qualifying for boston as a back-of-the mind goal now. and getting faster over shorter distances. like, touch wood the rest of the year goes well, i achieve my ultra goals, and maybe next year i dial in on 18:xx 5k and sub-3:00 marathon.

made an appointment with a neurologist for the end of july, earliest i could get in with one that's in-network and came with a strong referral for migraines specifically.
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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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