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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3585 on: April 14, 2016, 05:32:56 am »
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hm. explanation has the ring of satisfying logic but i don't see why warming up with the vest, taking it off for ME jumps, and then putting it on for other exercises that are not running jumps -- and just to move around -- would necessarily be dangerous. i do see why wearing it for some running jumps, then not, then back on again could be dangerous.

at any rate, t0ddday, any feedback on the MB throws?

I don't think what you describe is dangerous.  But face it ME jumps are dangerous.  That's why kingfish refuses to even do ME running jumps!  Why complicate them by adding load to a body that just got used to being unweighted?

Bounds are spectacular and for training the throws are excellent...  Your slow mo is great.  I would change your form on throws if your goal was max distance but if your using them to train you are fine

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3586 on: April 14, 2016, 08:50:02 am »
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thanks t0ddday. and yeah i'm strictly LR-L. at first (5 years ago) i thought it was because my left shoulder is a little higher and i can reach higher with my left arm, but having grooved that movement for so long trying to lead with my right arm just feels weird.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3587 on: April 14, 2016, 08:57:08 pm »
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- daily routine
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3588 on: April 15, 2016, 04:46:22 pm »
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Didn't your mom freak out seeing you get under 6 plates?

lol she had already left. she watched me warm up a few weeks ago and her main comment was that my face gets really red.  ::)
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3589 on: April 16, 2016, 10:50:21 am »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: low back tweaking a little, left elbow
MENTAL STATE: good but hurried

- warm up

- skater jump x 10,10

- one-step RVJ x 5
probably PR or PR tie on one of the jumps, 34+

- DLRVJ x 5-6
no one there to throw lobs but i was getting up pretty good. hurt elbow jamming the dodgeball down too hard on third jump and kind of shut my CNS down. wasn't planning for this to be a PR session anyway. tomorrow.

also, my friend at work told our boss (the CEO) that i had dunked and he didn't believe her, so i showed him the slow-mo video with the dodgeball. his jaw literally dropped.  :ibjumping:
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3590 on: April 16, 2016, 04:01:55 pm »
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I'm gonna give you some advice that I haven't been able to follow myself... By a grippy super inflated ball and learn the self lob!  I can't push this too hard on you because I've practiced it for probably about 50 tries and cannot figure it out for the life of me....  But it's gotta be something learnable! 

From talking to dunkers that can do it they tell me that it's actually much much easier to catch a self lob off the bounce near the rim than to catch an alley oop because if you do it perfectly you actually catching a floating object rather than one that is traveling in the air...

Also I know you told me your goal was dunking in any way shape or form including alley oops but I think it would be more impressive if someone asks if you can dunk and you pull up proof of yourself throwing a self lob and throwing it down than catching an oop... To the layman a self lob is truly dunking by yourself!

Maybe you could begin my just finishing your sessions with 30-50 self lobs where you just do the toss but don't even jump... Just practicing the toss to get to where you can consistently get the ball to bounce up near the rim at the perfect height won't tire out your legs at all and will get you to at least the first step towards dunking from a self toss...

It's great that your more consistent with jumping ability but we all know how fickle the brain and the legs can be... Who knows when the day is when you just happen to be jumping 38" inches will be... It would such a shame that on that day you happen to not have anyone around who can toss you lobs!  A decent self lob in your back pocket might just allow you to document your dunk on that very best day rather than the best day when you happen to have a patient and good lob thrower around...

Either do this OR pay someone to come to the gym every time you jump and throw you lobs!  You have reached a once in a lifetime goal (seriously bask in this, I train all kinds of athletes and you don't know how many "better" athletes than you that are also taller that tell me it's a bucket list goal to dunk but haven't achieved what you have), before you move to the Near East let's get the best of the best of this on tape.   Also before jumping days cut moderately the volume and intensity of your daily routine but do not drop it!

34 inches on the one step is beast!

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3591 on: April 17, 2016, 01:43:34 am »
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I think that's great advice to LBSS, he wont find a more dedicated training partner to throw lobs than himself. Just speculating -- but is there is a chance he will be able to improve his vertical by adopting regular self lob based training, because he has to go chase the lobs so demanding more from his movement efficiency?
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3592 on: April 17, 2016, 04:24:17 am »
+1
WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: low back tweaking a little, left elbow
MENTAL STATE: good but hurried

- warm up

- skater jump x 10,10

- one-step RVJ x 5
probably PR or PR tie on one of the jumps, 34+

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- DLRVJ x 5-6
no one there to throw lobs but i was getting up pretty good. hurt elbow jamming the dodgeball down too hard on third jump and kind of shut my CNS down. wasn't planning for this to be a PR session anyway. tomorrow.

also, my friend at work told our boss (the CEO) that i had dunked and he didn't believe her, so i showed him the slow-mo video with the dodgeball. his jaw literally dropped.  :ibjumping:

hah nice. is he athletic? Most athletic people seem to be impressed by dunking, because I imagine 99% of them have wanted to dunk, but haven't (and also haven't trained for it). It's jaw dropping for most athletic people because i've imagined they've tried at least once to simply hit the rim.



I'm gonna give you some advice that I haven't been able to follow myself... By a grippy super inflated ball and learn the self lob!  I can't push this too hard on you because I've practiced it for probably about 50 tries and cannot figure it out for the life of me....  But it's gotta be something learnable! 

From talking to dunkers that can do it they tell me that it's actually much much easier to catch a self lob off the bounce near the rim than to catch an alley oop because if you do it perfectly you actually catching a floating object rather than one that is traveling in the air...

Also I know you told me your goal was dunking in any way shape or form including alley oops but I think it would be more impressive if someone asks if you can dunk and you pull up proof of yourself throwing a self lob and throwing it down than catching an oop... To the layman a self lob is truly dunking by yourself!

Maybe you could begin my just finishing your sessions with 30-50 self lobs where you just do the toss but don't even jump... Just practicing the toss to get to where you can consistently get the ball to bounce up near the rim at the perfect height won't tire out your legs at all and will get you to at least the first step towards dunking from a self toss...

It's great that your more consistent with jumping ability but we all know how fickle the brain and the legs can be... Who knows when the day is when you just happen to be jumping 38" inches will be... It would such a shame that on that day you happen to not have anyone around who can toss you lobs!  A decent self lob in your back pocket might just allow you to document your dunk on that very best day rather than the best day when you happen to have a patient and good lob thrower around...

Either do this OR pay someone to come to the gym every time you jump and throw you lobs!  You have reached a once in a lifetime goal (seriously bask in this, I train all kinds of athletes and you don't know how many "better" athletes than you that are also taller that tell me it's a bucket list goal to dunk but haven't achieved what you have), before you move to the Near East let's get the best of the best of this on tape.   Also before jumping days cut moderately the volume and intensity of your daily routine but do not drop it!

34 inches on the one step is beast!


definitely. the first step is a hyper inflated ball. I bought a ball a few months ago, and even though i've inflated it 'to the max', it sucks. For some reason that Reebok basketball I had, was my favorite lob ball because man it had serious bounce.

Another tip, you can leave the ball in your car (in florida at least) earlier that morning. By the time you go dunk, it'll be a rocket.

If you were to attempt the self lob route, which ya I also recommend.. I'd get a ball, hyper inflate it, do all of your jumps like you normally do in your session. Then when you're basically done jumping max, just throw several lobs and get it to bounce up near the rim. If you find you're able to do it pretty consistently, start doing some light runup/jumps and just try to touch the ball (or fuck it, smack it like you're blocking someone, sounds fun) when it's up near the rim.

If you did that at least once in a while, it should slowly sink in.. and who knows, you might actually be really good at throwing lobs once you get a crazy bouncy ball.

A very bouncy ball just makes it so much easier.. in order to emulate that with a less bouncy ball, you have to throw it so much higher.. which really throws everything off IMHO.

I can't seem to find that ball anywhere.. so I tried looking in a few vids, can't find the exact model.

It looked something like this:



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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3593 on: April 17, 2016, 07:15:37 am »
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(or fuck it, smack it like you're blocking someone, sounds fun) when it's up near the rim.

Great advice, something I haven't considered. I suck at throwing self lobs (although my court is terrible, it has these squares that at their junction have raises corners and when the ball hits the ground it moves in unpredictable directions making throwing accurate lobs impossible).
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3594 on: April 17, 2016, 01:36:21 pm »
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i tried with the bounciest ball in the gym today and could not get the rebound even 3/4 of the way to the rim. i have a ball but it sucks and when i tried to overinflate it (years ago) it just stayed dead. will investigate better options.

today:

WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: right knee
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- skater jump x 20,10

- one-step RVJ x 6

- DLRVJ x 15
got a dude to throw lobs on 8-9. pretty close with the right hand on one, most of the lobs were badly timed. vid of that miss below. you can hear the guy saying "that's the perfect throw," but it wasn't. needs to be a little farther to the left so i can catch it with my left hand, which reaches at least a couple inches higher. also that wasn't my best jump of the day by any means, just the closest a decent jump and decent lob came together. oh well.

- squat MSEM 330 x 3,3

- DB push press 55s x 10,10
got it. wrists a little achey after each set.

- BB hip thrust 385 x 15,12

- inverted row x 15,12

- decline sit ups x 14

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDv1UhvZEVY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDv1UhvZEVY</a>
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3595 on: April 17, 2016, 03:05:04 pm »
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Damn, nice plant if you pause it after the penultimate.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3596 on: April 17, 2016, 03:32:22 pm »
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thanks raptor.

also, adarq, meta comment: youtube vids have been acting up on the forum for the last few days. either not loading, or only loading once and freezing when i try to replay them.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3597 on: April 17, 2016, 04:38:59 pm »
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thanks raptor.

also, adarq, meta comment: youtube vids have been acting up on the forum for the last few days. either not loading, or only loading once and freezing when i try to replay them.

Yeah, here too.

Btw, at work when I try to reply, the youtube button on this server is gone. It's not a part of the reply interface, lol. Only at home it appears.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3598 on: April 17, 2016, 08:35:49 pm »
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The lob needs to go up later imo. You almost need the ball sitting on the rim to make it easier on yourself.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3599 on: April 18, 2016, 05:24:39 am »
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thanks raptor.

also, adarq, meta comment: youtube vids have been acting up on the forum for the last few days. either not loading, or only loading once and freezing when i try to replay them.

thnx. i'll keep a lookout on it. not happening for me. will mess with it more tomorrow.



thanks raptor.

also, adarq, meta comment: youtube vids have been acting up on the forum for the last few days. either not loading, or only loading once and freezing when i try to replay them.

Yeah, here too.

Btw, at work when I try to reply, the youtube button on this server is gone. It's not a part of the reply interface, lol. Only at home it appears.

maybe that icon is being dropped by your work firewall, thinking it's pr0n. lul.

weird.