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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3330 on: December 29, 2015, 04:20:12 pm »
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weight is taken PWO. first listed is clothes, shoes, vest. second (in parens) is naked.

WEIGHT: 189.5  :huh: (174.4)
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: right knee a little, coming and going
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

weights

- MB toss @12lbs x 10
did on bball court. farthest was ~12 yards, i think. need to get an accurate measure of the court markings.

- submax DL bound x 4,4,4

- submax SL bound x 5,6/leg

- sprint starts x 4

- squat 315 x 1

- hanging leg raise x 10,10

- dip x 13

- pull up x 4+3+3+(3)
()=chin up

jumps

- SVJ x 5

- SL SVJ x 5/leg

- pogo x 10

- one-step RVJ x 5/plant

kept volume very chill, still adapting to vest. right knee is okay but i'm noticing it on some things. will be careful.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 04:59:27 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3331 on: December 29, 2015, 08:24:24 pm »
+1
some vids from today:

(EDIT: all should work now but the timed start isn't working for the first two)

MB throw w/vest (about 10.5-11 yards here, not my longest throw of the day

DL bounds w/vest (about 11 yards)

SL bound w/vest
« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 08:59:28 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3332 on: December 29, 2015, 08:30:41 pm »
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Only the SL bound video worked for me.

Placing the video in the comedy section is being a little rough on yourself.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3333 on: December 29, 2015, 08:56:17 pm »
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Only the SL bound video worked for me.

Placing the video in the comedy section is being a little rough on yourself.

hahaha i was wondering if anyone would ever notice that. it's the default on my phone and i never bother to change it. plus i get a kick out of it.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3334 on: December 29, 2015, 10:04:56 pm »
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Only the SL bound video worked for me.

Placing the video in the comedy section is being a little rough on yourself.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3335 on: December 29, 2015, 10:12:40 pm »
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back from holidays in connecticut. lovely times, tons of great food (and a bit of great drink, too -- my aunt and uncle who we were staying with are serious gourmets, both the best cooks i know and the only people i know with a purpose-built wine cellar in their house). worked out with my cousin last thursday and took a couple of medium-length but pretty hilly walks. otherwise it was mostly just good family time. will weigh myself post-workout later but i'd guess i gained 3-4 pounds.

starting today, i'm going to work out based off a template t0ddday sent me. not gonna copy-paste the whole thing here, but in essence it's a three-week block including jump training 3-4x/week, heavy weights 2-3x/week, and light weights up to every day, followed by a one-to-two-week block where the heavy weights are dropped and PRs are attempted. will also be at a modest weekly caloric deficit but keeping protein high, aiming to be very lean and in the low-to-mid 160s during the second block.

also, i bought a weight vest and am going to wear it most waking moments for the next three weeks, including during workouts.


ETA: just read t0ddday's last journal post. suffice it to say i will never be attempting 300 ME jumps in a five-day period. also i'll keep close tabs on my knees.

hope u get a good dunk outta this!

fwiw tho, when i lifted heavy twice a week, i found tt it kept me sore for like pretty much the entire week.
of course im abit older than you, so your recovery rates might be better...
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3336 on: December 29, 2015, 10:33:14 pm »
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back from holidays in connecticut. lovely times, tons of great food (and a bit of great drink, too -- my aunt and uncle who we were staying with are serious gourmets, both the best cooks i know and the only people i know with a purpose-built wine cellar in their house). worked out with my cousin last thursday and took a couple of medium-length but pretty hilly walks. otherwise it was mostly just good family time. will weigh myself post-workout later but i'd guess i gained 3-4 pounds.

starting today, i'm going to work out based off a template t0ddday sent me. not gonna copy-paste the whole thing here, but in essence it's a three-week block including jump training 3-4x/week, heavy weights 2-3x/week, and light weights up to every day, followed by a one-to-two-week block where the heavy weights are dropped and PRs are attempted. will also be at a modest weekly caloric deficit but keeping protein high, aiming to be very lean and in the low-to-mid 160s during the second block.

also, i bought a weight vest and am going to wear it most waking moments for the next three weeks, including during workouts.


ETA: just read t0ddday's last journal post. suffice it to say i will never be attempting 300 ME jumps in a five-day period. also i'll keep close tabs on my knees.

hope u get a good dunk outta this!

fwiw tho, when i lifted heavy twice a week, i found tt it kept me sore for like pretty much the entire week.
of course im abit older than you, so your recovery rates might be better...


Soreness is strongly correlated with volume and I'm sure he'll be doing low volume

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3337 on: December 30, 2015, 04:33:52 pm »
+1
some vids from today:

(EDIT: all should work now but the timed start isn't working for the first two)

MB throw w/vest (about 10.5-11 yards here, not my longest throw of the day


It's hard to analyze from that angle but it looks your jumping the ball into the air which is killing your hip pop.   This is similar to when people learn the powerclean and they learn to literally jump the weight into the air...  While your feet may (will) leave the ground you have to remember that it's not an active jump in either case - it's a hip pop and extension where you transfer the power into the bar/ball and after release (on the catch) your feet may leave the ground/travel back...   I prefer ball tosses to powerclean because it's about 100x easier to teach BUT it's still not a super simple move and there is some technical things to be aware of.   Three tips to help you learn are:  (1) Do some kneeling tosses where all you can use are your hips.  (2) Actively throw the ball down so your hip hinge is elastic - the ball is forced down between your legs and as momentum brings it up we fire our hips (3) Distance is a great measure of power but as we get too competitive for distance we sometimes end up throwing it backwards with arms - so do a few tosses where you focus on maximal height...  usually to get a great backward toss I will first do 2-3 tosses as high as possible and about 3 yards less far than my best backwards toss - then I do my best.   

Here is an example of the frames that show me going into hip extension on the release of the ball... You should see the ball come out with a pop.  Also a few videos.  I have more practice than you at this...  But I am throwing the ball 20 yards standing and 10-12 yards kneeling - I'm in no way that much stronger than you, getting the technique right will have you "feel" your hips in a way that you are unfamiliar with but it will help...



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oVGb5J4f5M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oVGb5J4f5M</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVDgqcKfoc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVDgqcKfoc</a>

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3338 on: December 30, 2015, 04:54:52 pm »
+1
some vids from today:
DL bounds w/vest (about 11 yards)

SL bound w/vest

As far as the bounds...  I realize doing them with the weight vest may challenge you more... but you are doing semi inbetween bounds.   For both bounds I would rather see either a full cycle through (use a 1 arm drive for SL for now) with legs brought up and actively down OR see something like rudiment hops or kangaroo hops but nothing in between...  I think you can do full bounds cause I have seen you do them before - but if you can't do active standing in place single leg bounds with full cycle and active landing - don't do them for distance - that falling over stuff doesn't work...

I have now had another friend do hypergravity with decent results so it's not n = 3 for my experience.   Basically, i would describe hypergravity as simple as this.  Everyone knows things get harder.  That's life.  We get better, it gets harder.   Going from 25-30 inch jump not so hard.  Going from 30-35 hard.  Going from 35-40 is REALLY hard.   But what if after we go from 30-35 we could just go from 30-35 again instead?  Much easier...  So basically, we know exactly what we are gonna get out of the weightvest and its basically how close we get to pre-weight vest numbers..  We make do this easier by losing weight at the same time of course.   But basically, imagine you have a 35'' jump.  (a simple calculation says that at 15lbs heavier you should have a 32.5 inch jump.  You put the vest on and go down to 31''.   This is why the vest is bad in the short term.  The weight messes you up and you actually produce less power than before.... But... assuming you adapt and get back to 32.5'' you are even...  Now if you can get to 33 or 34'' you will see gains...  Basically that simple - that's also why I recommend you take it off as little as possible.  Don't take it off when your training or for tests until you have achieved your marks...

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3339 on: December 30, 2015, 05:49:02 pm »
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thanks t0ddday really helpful on both counts. i was being extra tentative on the bounds because of the vest, but i let loose a bit more today on the DLs and went farther. also my knee was not bothering me at all today. interesting point about "jumping" the MB toss. will try the kneeling variant next time (i.e. tomorrow).

WEIGHT: 189.8 (174.4)
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: right peroneal near ankle but went away after warm up
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- MB toss x 10
inconsistent, was throwing them a little to one side. best throw was better than yesterday. will modify tomorrow based on t0ddday's feedback above.

- DL bound x 4,4,4,4,4
felt good, all-out next time.

- squat 315 x 1,1,1,1,1

- cable hip thrust 110 x 15; 130 x 15,15
was supposed to to BB hip thrusts but all the benches were being used, which is bizarre, not sure that's ever happened before.

ran out of time, called it. jumps tomorrow.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3340 on: December 31, 2015, 04:26:19 pm »
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WEIGHT: 187.8 (173.6)
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- kneeling MB toss x 10

- MB toss x 5

- DL bound x 4,4,4

- SVJ x 5,5

- backboard touch x 10,10,10
ugly, only first set was unbroken.

- SL SVJ x 5/leg

- drop step x 3/plant

- T0ddday method DLRVJ x 12
5 at two steps, 5 at four steps. nothing over 32. still getting used to it.

- SLRVJ x 5/leg

- stretch
« Last Edit: December 31, 2015, 04:35:56 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3341 on: January 02, 2016, 06:31:43 pm »
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WEIGHT: 187 (173.8)
SORENESS: abs a tiny bit
ACHES/INJURIES: right toe, ankle, knee
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up
hit 29.5 and 30 with the vest on

**remove vest**

- DLRVJ x 7
PR, 36.5, back-ironed a couple very hard with the dodgeball and got a couple of good dunks down. vids coming.

**replace vest**

- DLRVJ x 3
bad, did a couple from one step, not good

- superset x 2
-- pistol x 10/leg
-- SL RDL x 10/leg

- pull up ladder x 1,2,3,2,1

- dip x 9

- stretch

PR'ing the first week is a good sign, i think.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3343 on: January 04, 2016, 09:01:13 pm »
+1
yesterday was supposed to be weights + jumping but i got stuck at my parents' with my grandmother and then a neighbor. by the time i got home the gym was closed.

WEIGHT: 187.8 (175.4 -- oops, apparently i am not doing as well on the kcal restriction as i thought)
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: knees, lower neck
MENTAL STATE: good

- KB swing x 10,10,10,10,10,10

- KB goblet squat x 10,10,10,10,10

- KB snatches x some

- stretch

knees felt wack when i tried to do pistols so i switched it up. some of the unexpected weight may just be that i usually weigh myself after a real workout and the business today barely registers as that. in any event, time to get serious with that. targeting 167 in three weeks means a real diet. vacation's over.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3344 on: January 05, 2016, 10:06:07 pm »
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WEIGHT: 187.2 (174)
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: low back a little, knees a little, right peroneal a little
MENTAL STATE: good, a little lethargic/low motivation

- warm up

- MB toss x 10
inconsistent but best throws were ~11 yards. i throw to the right, not sure if it's a hip twisting or torso or shoulder issue. putting left foot 1-2" in front of right makes for straight throws.

- DL bound x 4,3(F),4,4,4
inconsistent, fucked up the second set by kind of falling forward. but best two sets were 11+ yards, which is an improvement.

- squat 315 x 1,1
low back felt the first a little but second very strong

- SVJ x 5,5
second set much lower than first

- SL SVJ x 5,5/leg
inconsistent, which is good because it means on some of the jumps i'm getting a bit more coordinated

- backboard touch x 10,10
legs smoked, not jumping high enough for backboard so i just did these as reaching pogos

- one-step DLRVJ x 5,5/plant
maybe 29.5 on a couple LR plants, much less on all the others.

vest is hard.
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