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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3225 on: November 20, 2015, 11:12:48 pm »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3226 on: November 21, 2015, 02:14:29 am »
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29 is literally the best year .. it's when you're wise enough to be smarter and more experienced than during most of your 20s but still young enough to be in your 20s. Or something like that. I dont know, i thought it was the best. It's all downhill after 31 though. Lol. So enjoy this window of peak LBSS!
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3227 on: November 21, 2015, 06:17:19 am »
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Haha, that was in response to raptor,

"Happy birthday by the way. Wait 'til you hit 30, you'll see how old you'll be then!"

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3228 on: November 21, 2015, 07:48:54 am »
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Stop saying that! You'll make me cry.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3229 on: November 21, 2015, 12:46:41 pm »
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thanks y'all! hoping for a big year.

WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- DLRVJ
was off, could not get over 32 off one step. changed tacks, will do day 6 workout tomorrow.

- superset x a bunch
-- light KB work
-- glute activation
-- shoulder prehab

- mobilizations/stretch

DIET
breakfast: smoothie, cup of coffee
lunch: N/A
dinner: steak with pearl onions and truffles, brussels sprouts (parents took me out for dinner)
other: protein shake, two beers

SLEEP
8 hours. sweet.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2015, 11:07:11 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3230 on: November 22, 2015, 11:07:42 am »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: headache
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up
had the stroke, head hurting.

- DLRVJ x a few
floor very slippery, could not get up very well. head hurt in between reps.

- SL proto-bounds and DL pogos
trying to do the t0ddday SL bound practice thing for a bit. uncoordinated for the most part, got some vid and may post if it's not too embarrassing (it's very embarrassing).

- squat 285 x 5,5,5
very strong

- bench 180 x 5,5,5
very strong

- RDL 225 x 8,8,8

- leg press calf raise +270 x 20,20,20

- pull up x 6,6,6

- DB row 75 x 10/side

- stretch

meh workout. the court was covered in tables and chairs, had to move some stuff out of the way to even be able to warm up. and floor was filthy from whatever activity they'd been doing. plus trying the t0ddday thing was hard. then again, squat and bench were excellent.

DIET
breakfast: smoothie, cup of coffee
lunch: N/A
dinner: lots of pulled pork, swiss chard, bean salad, cup of chocolate milk
other: cup of chocolate milk, small cup of warm milk with vanilla and a little sugar

SLEEP
9+ hours
« Last Edit: November 23, 2015, 08:07:42 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3231 on: November 23, 2015, 08:09:18 am »
+2
uh-oh, t0ddday is back and calling everyone out on not training hard enough.  :ninja:

DIET
breakfast: smoothie, cup of coffee
lunch:
dinner:
other:

SLEEP
? went to bed early but slept fitfully, woke up several times in the night and not sure how long i was awake. lame. headache back a little.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3232 on: November 23, 2015, 10:02:42 am »
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uh-oh, t0ddday is back and calling everyone out on not training hard enough.  :ninja:

nice  :ibsquatting:

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3233 on: November 23, 2015, 11:55:58 am »
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uh-oh, t0ddday is back and calling everyone out on not training hard enough.  :ninja:

nice  :ibsquatting:

No, not really. People should speak after they actually know how you train and know your life, or shut up. You can neg this post all you want, but this is my opinion and in my particular case that shit doesn't apply.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3234 on: November 23, 2015, 12:27:28 pm »
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uh-oh, t0ddday is back and calling everyone out on not training hard enough.  :ninja:

nice  :ibsquatting:

No, not really. People should speak after they actually know how you train and know your life, or shut up. You can neg this post all you want, but this is my opinion and in my particular case that shit doesn't apply.

I was just speaking generally.. It reminds me of when I coached at MSC. Everyone was busting ass, training really hard, and in comes Jamie McOwen who would sometimes get under peoples skin by saying we aren't training hard enough, people aren't giving 100% effort etc. He made everyone elevate their game.

Same thing for Bruce Aven (the former MLB player who ran the facility). You could be on the verge of death from training so hard, he'd come in, and make you give so much more. For example, I was training this "minor league" football player who was ~250 lb & Aven was ~220 and barely lifted anymore, and he was trap bar deadlifting around ~505 or something.. So Bruce walks up, no warmup, asks if it was "heavy". No one really knew how to responsd. So he just picks it up like nothing, does a few reps.. drops it.. and goes "nah.. not heavy". Then walks off. Several egos were hurt, but.... People who thought they might be giving 100%, thought to themselves maybe they have been giving 95%.

So i'm saying "nice" from that angle. More of a "group training mindset" where people you train with can make you train harder.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3235 on: November 23, 2015, 12:53:34 pm »
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Or you could be genetically gifted, come in and "make fun" of people who actually train and you train just as hard or even less (or not at all) - and just because it works for you as a genetically gifted individual, you think (genetically gifted people don't usually think,  but let's have a positive approach here) that everybody must mess around when you are "training so hard" since they don't make progress and you do.

Well no shit Sherlock, you just got lucky by having the genetics that respond to more stress and also allow you a faster recovery. In fact, for hardgainers, LESS training should be the norm since their (our) recovery sucks to begin with. Train more and you'll run yourself into the ground and complain about not making any progress. If training more was all that was needed, we could all just train 10 hours per day and be the best in the world.

So genetically gifted people should just shut up about not training "hard enough" - they haven't been in a hardgainer's body, not to mention all the other parameters at work. What should be analysed is if the guy is giving his best shot, with the body/genetics that he's been dealt with, and if not, trying to find ways to improve on that (sometimes these ways are to train LESS hard, by the way).
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3236 on: November 23, 2015, 06:56:26 pm »
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uh-oh, t0ddday is back and calling everyone out on not training hard enough.  :ninja:

nice  :ibsquatting:

No, not really. People should speak after they actually know how you train and know your life, or shut up. You can neg this post all you want, but this is my opinion and in my particular case that shit doesn't apply.

I was just speaking generally.. It reminds me of when I coached at MSC. Everyone was busting ass, training really hard, and in comes Jamie McOwen who would sometimes get under peoples skin by saying we aren't training hard enough, people aren't giving 100% effort etc. He made everyone elevate their game.

Same thing for Bruce Aven (the former MLB player who ran the facility). You could be on the verge of death from training so hard, he'd come in, and make you give so much more. For example, I was training this "minor league" football player who was ~250 lb & Aven was ~220 and barely lifted anymore, and he was trap bar deadlifting around ~505 or something.. So Bruce walks up, no warmup, asks if it was "heavy". No one really knew how to responsd. So he just picks it up like nothing, does a few reps.. drops it.. and goes "nah.. not heavy". Then walks off. Several egos were hurt, but.... People who thought they might be giving 100%, thought to themselves maybe they have been giving 95%.

So i'm saying "nice" from that angle. More of a "group training mindset" where people you train with can make you train harder.

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« Reply #3237 on: November 24, 2015, 08:33:10 pm »
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Or you could be genetically gifted, come in and "make fun" of people who actually train and you train just as hard or even less (or not at all) - and just because it works for you as a genetically gifted individual, you think (genetically gifted people don't usually think,  but let's have a positive approach here) that everybody must mess around when you are "training so hard" since they don't make progress and you do.

Well no shit Sherlock, you just got lucky by having the genetics that respond to more stress and also allow you a faster recovery. In fact, for hardgainers, LESS training should be the norm since their (our) recovery sucks to begin with. Train more and you'll run yourself into the ground and complain about not making any progress. If training more was all that was needed, we could all just train 10 hours per day and be the best in the world.

So genetically gifted people should just shut up about not training "hard enough" - they haven't been in a hardgainer's body, not to mention all the other parameters at work. What should be analysed is if the guy is giving his best shot, with the body/genetics that he's been dealt with, and if not, trying to find ways to improve on that (sometimes these ways are to train LESS hard, by the way).

Wow, I could write a book on this post...  I love it because I hate it!   I think there are a few points here that are useful but the rest is basically the heart at what is holding back the progress of many members of the board (Raptor included but all of us to an extent).

First what I agree with.  Nobody should make fun of anyone else.  I'm no advocate of fat-shaming, slut-shaming, smoking-shaming, or any other type of behavior that's intent is to hurt someone else.  It's mean and it's counterproductive to actually helping people.  Doesn't mean we can't engage in good natured teasing; people are different and might be positively motivated by this - but if the intent is to make fun of someone at their expense and hurt them we shouldn't engage in it no matter what.   It's just as bad as what your doing when you suggest genetically gifted people don't usually think - how does lobbing passive aggressive insults at one part of the population help?

Now what I don't agree with.

1) Who appointed you the arbitrator of who is a hardgainer and who isn't?    And in your fantasy world are their only two types of people?  The reviled genetically gifted and the poor hardgainers?  Do you know what everyone on the board is?   It sounds like you conveniently draw the line of genetically gifted vs hardgainer as anyone who outperforms you is genetically gifted and therefore didn't work as hard (or as you suggest - maybe didn't work at all!).  You sound like one of my old coaches who used to jokingly say that the fastest humans can run without steroids is 19.89 over 200m (which just happened to be his PR).   Only you are not joking.   The question I have for you is how confident are you that you are really doing everything perfect?  It's hard for me to be overly critical of people's training over the internet - like you said I don't know your injury history, how recovered you were, etc.  However, some things (diet) are easy.  So when Mutumbo gets dejected about not making gains but also mentions throwing down 10 beers on Friday it's pretty clear his only obstacle isn't being a hardgainer.  When you try and lean out but insist on eating chocolates daily it's pretty clear that you are not taking our diet as seriously as you should be.   Given that most of us don't diet perfectly, what's the chance your actually training perfectly?   I actually agree with out that the variation of gaining muscle and gaining inches on our vert is pretty large - there may be people who can train as hard as they can and can't jump over 30 inches.   But that same variation doesn't exist for body composition...  So if you are trying to maximize your jump but getting lean (single digit BF) and just can't seem to do it...  then seriously just stop whining about being a hardgainer.  You have a clearly attainable goal that you can't accomplish because of a lack of discipline and effort.   Focus on that rather than making excuses. 

2) Where do you get this idea that hardgainers must train less?   You realize that recovery is an adaptable trait as well right?   There really isn't convincing evidence that hardgainers won't adapt to stress and thus need to provide less stress to make more gains.   What this sounds like is really convenient broscience made up by the lazy.   I imagine a conversation with a self diagnosed hardgainer going something like this:

Person:         Hey, man haven't seen you for awhile you still working on bench?
Hardgainer: Yeah man you know it, I've raised my bench press from 135 to 155 in just a little less than two years!
Person:         Oh yeah, that's cool I have raised mine from 185 to 315 in two years using this routine where I do a lot of volume mixed in with heavy triples... you should give it a shot!
Hardgainer:  No, man I can't.   See I am a hardgainer and a routine like that would actually cause my bench to go down.   Instead I just bench every two weeks and only 8 reps at 60% of my max.  For me less is more and this routine allowed me to make the massive gains i did.
Person:        Oh yeah, that's cool.  (In his head - seems like an excuse not to work very hard).

You know what else this sounds like?  Every obese person that believes things like "not eating actually makes you fatter" or I actually eat less than all the skinny people who just have fast metabolisms...  Then we get those people in a clinical setting on a calorie deficit and they lose weight...   There is no clinical setting for hardgainers who don't train hard but we do have training camp for sports and if you saw the body-composition changes you see after just a 2-3 training camp for all the athletes involved (including "hardgainers") you would be shocked...

3)  Seriously, this is the only point that matters.  You are not a hardgainer.  Seriously.  Stop saying it and more important... stop thinking it.  If you or Luke told me you were going to quit your day job and challenge Bolt next year in the Olympics I would advise you not to.  But that's it.  I'm not going to say your never gonna run under 12 seconds or 11 seconds or set any barriers to you.   Humans are amazing and the brain is amazing.  That you think your a hardgainer is probably the worst thing you can do.  You have set up a dichotomy in your head where you are on the hardgainer side....  Now you can't even draw motivation from an amazing performance because when you see that you don't think "wow, that inspires me to do more" you think "stupid genetically gifted person, god genetics are soooooo UNFAIR".    Stop now.    There is data that shows that mice perform better on tests if researchers are simply told that some mice are smart and some are dumb - just the way they handle the mice influences performance!    Seriously.  Listen to this:  http://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman

The worst thing you can do for your progress is believe that you are somehow at a disadvantage.   We can balance realism with hope, we don't have to be delusional.  You probably won't ever be the worlds fastest man.... But I don't know that you can't be damn fast and I hope you start getting motivated so we can see just how fast you can be.   This type of defeatist attitude would never get us to the moon and won't get you the results you want.    It's going to be hard but you are going to have to start looking at what you are doing wrong, how you can do more, and how you can work harder and get more gains now... 

I'll just close with a reminder how rare you are.  If I recall you are about 6' and you can dunk a basketball and do so in games.  I train a lot of athletes who dream of doing exactly what you are doing...  Very few 6' guys actually throw down dunks in games.   How would you like to know that all these people see you and think "lucky genetic freak" rather than attribute what you have done to hard work...   You are already in the top couple percent just by dunking at your height.  Appreciate it, reach for the stars and start getting more. 

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« Reply #3238 on: November 24, 2015, 08:40:22 pm »
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Or you could be genetically gifted, come in and "make fun" of people who actually train and you train just as hard or even less (or not at all) - and just because it works for you as a genetically gifted individual, you think (genetically gifted people don't usually think,  but let's have a positive approach here) that everybody must mess around when you are "training so hard" since they don't make progress and you do.

Well no shit Sherlock, you just got lucky by having the genetics that respond to more stress and also allow you a faster recovery. In fact, for hardgainers, LESS training should be the norm since their (our) recovery sucks to begin with. Train more and you'll run yourself into the ground and complain about not making any progress. If training more was all that was needed, we could all just train 10 hours per day and be the best in the world.

So genetically gifted people should just shut up about not training "hard enough" - they haven't been in a hardgainer's body, not to mention all the other parameters at work. What should be analysed is if the guy is giving his best shot, with the body/genetics that he's been dealt with, and if not, trying to find ways to improve on that (sometimes these ways are to train LESS hard, by the way).

Wow, I could write a book on this post...  I love it because I hate it!   I think there are a few points here that are useful but the rest is basically the heart at what is holding back the progress of many members of the board (Raptor included but all of us to an extent).

First what I agree with.  Nobody should make fun of anyone else.  I'm no advocate of fat-shaming, slut-shaming, smoking-shaming, or any other type of behavior that's intent is to hurt someone else.  It's mean and it's counterproductive to actually helping people.  Doesn't mean we can't engage in good natured teasing; people are different and might be positively motivated by this - but if the intent is to make fun of someone at their expense and hurt them we shouldn't engage in it no matter what.   It's just as bad as what your doing when you suggest genetically gifted people don't usually think - how does lobbing passive aggressive insults at one part of the population help?

Now what I don't agree with.

1) Who appointed you the arbitrator of who is a hardgainer and who isn't?    And in your fantasy world are their only two types of people?  The reviled genetically gifted and the poor hardgainers?  Do you know what everyone on the board is?   It sounds like you conveniently draw the line of genetically gifted vs hardgainer as anyone who outperforms you is genetically gifted and therefore didn't work as hard (or as you suggest - maybe didn't work at all!).  You sound like one of my old coaches who used to jokingly say that the fastest humans can run without steroids is 19.89 over 200m (which just happened to be his PR).   Only you are not joking.   The question I have for you is how confident are you that you are really doing everything perfect?  It's hard for me to be overly critical of people's training over the internet - like you said I don't know your injury history, how recovered you were, etc.  However, some things (diet) are easy.  So when Mutumbo gets dejected about not making gains but also mentions throwing down 10 beers on Friday it's pretty clear his only obstacle isn't being a hardgainer.  When you try and lean out but insist on eating chocolates daily it's pretty clear that you are not taking our diet as seriously as you should be.   Given that most of us don't diet perfectly, what's the chance your actually training perfectly?   I actually agree with out that the variation of gaining muscle and gaining inches on our vert is pretty large - there may be people who can train as hard as they can and can't jump over 30 inches.   But that same variation doesn't exist for body composition...  So if you are trying to maximize your jump but getting lean (single digit BF) and just can't seem to do it...  then seriously just stop whining about being a hardgainer.  You have a clearly attainable goal that you can't accomplish because of a lack of discipline and effort.   Focus on that rather than making excuses. 

2) Where do you get this idea that hardgainers must train less?   You realize that recovery is an adaptable trait as well right?   There really isn't convincing evidence that hardgainers won't adapt to stress and thus need to provide less stress to make more gains.   What this sounds like is really convenient broscience made up by the lazy.   I imagine a conversation with a self diagnosed hardgainer going something like this:

Person:         Hey, man haven't seen you for awhile you still working on bench?
Hardgainer: Yeah man you know it, I've raised my bench press from 135 to 155 in just a little less than two years!
Person:         Oh yeah, that's cool I have raised mine from 185 to 315 in two years using this routine where I do a lot of volume mixed in with heavy triples... you should give it a shot!
Hardgainer:  No, man I can't.   See I am a hardgainer and a routine like that would actually cause my bench to go down.   Instead I just bench every two weeks and only 8 reps at 60% of my max.  For me less is more and this routine allowed me to make the massive gains i did.
Person:        Oh yeah, that's cool.  (In his head - seems like an excuse not to work very hard).

You know what else this sounds like?  Every obese person that believes things like "not eating actually makes you fatter" or I actually eat less than all the skinny people who just have fast metabolisms...  Then we get those people in a clinical setting on a calorie deficit and they lose weight...   There is no clinical setting for hardgainers who don't train hard but we do have training camp for sports and if you saw the body-composition changes you see after just a 2-3 training camp for all the athletes involved (including "hardgainers") you would be shocked...

3)  Seriously, this is the only point that matters.  You are not a hardgainer.  Seriously.  Stop saying it and more important... stop thinking it.  If you or Luke told me you were going to quit your day job and challenge Bolt next year in the Olympics I would advise you not to.  But that's it.  I'm not going to say your never gonna run under 12 seconds or 11 seconds or set any barriers to you.   Humans are amazing and the brain is amazing.  That you think your a hardgainer is probably the worst thing you can do.  You have set up a dichotomy in your head where you are on the hardgainer side....  Now you can't even draw motivation from an amazing performance because when you see that you don't think "wow, that inspires me to do more" you think "stupid genetically gifted person, god genetics are soooooo UNFAIR".    Stop now.    There is data that shows that mice perform better on tests if researchers are simply told that some mice are smart and some are dumb - just the way they handle the mice influences performance!    Seriously.  Listen to this:  http://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/378577902/how-to-become-batman

The worst thing you can do for your progress is believe that you are somehow at a disadvantage.   We can balance realism with hope, we don't have to be delusional.  You probably won't ever be the worlds fastest man.... But I don't know that you can't be damn fast and I hope you start getting motivated so we can see just how fast you can be.   This type of defeatist attitude would never get us to the moon and won't get you the results you want.    It's going to be hard but you are going to have to start looking at what you are doing wrong, how you can do more, and how you can work harder and get more gains now... 

I'll just close with a reminder how rare you are.  If I recall you are about 6' and you can dunk a basketball and do so in games.  I train a lot of athletes who dream of doing exactly what you are doing...  Very few 6' guys actually throw down dunks in games.   How would you like to know that all these people see you and think "lucky genetic freak"  rather than attribute what you have done to hard work...   You are already in the top couple percent just by dunking at your height.  Appreciate it, reach for the stars and start getting more.

I'm sure raptor won't agree but awesome post! Can you tell me I can make the Olympic weightlifting 2024 or something?   ;D

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« Reply #3239 on: November 24, 2015, 09:54:01 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings, posterior delts, lower traps
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- depth jump @18" x 5,5,5
last set best, felt looser, better pop

- squat 230 x 5,5; MSEM 300 x 10 (45-60s rest)

- stretch

got a late start because work is piling up before the holiday. squats felt very strong and fast, good stuff.

DIET
breakfast: smoothie, cup of coffee
lunch: pizza with pork sausage and spinach
dinner: half a mush, cup of milk
other: two cups of coffee, protein shake

SLEEP
7.5 hours
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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