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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2460 on: June 02, 2014, 02:33:14 pm »
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Rewateched your Feb videos and I'm still a bit jelly. You were flying IMHO.

A little more healing, and a more favorable work/life balance you will get there again and then some.

Time sir is all it takes.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2461 on: June 02, 2014, 02:57:40 pm »
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thanks loopie. that second DLRVJ looks really good in retrospect.

PT today was helpful re: shoulder. he doesn't think it's torn or otherwise seriously injured, just irritated/inflamed. my ROM is still pretty good, the restriction is very specific (although unfortunately very specific to jumping). basically he said try to avoid aggravating it and in the meantime do more shoulder stabilization work. so i'm going to start doing more closed-chain and band stuff both in and out of the gym. benching remains on the table as long as no irritation. :-)

the guy is new, though (got his DPT last year) and so he basically punted on my lower back. i'm going back to see the owner of the practice next tuesday. hopefully he'll be able to shed some light.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2462 on: June 02, 2014, 03:51:58 pm »
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This makes me remember - I bought a handball for two footed dunking :D
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2463 on: June 03, 2014, 07:46:52 am »
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last night:

WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: okay

- warm up

- LRLR bound x a few
got on film and my god these are ugly. i'm doin' 'em wrong. watched first set vid and then overthought so the rest were even worse. will post later today.

- sprint 30m x 3; 60m x 30*; x 100m, 110m, 120m
4.5, 4.5, 4.5; 8.4, 8.3, 8.1; 13.5, 14.6, 16.4 -- 7+ minutes rest on the last three but you can still tell i was tired. really would be helpful to have someone to chase.

- shoulder stability complex: push ups, planks and hands-to-elbows

- stretch

*good catch, raptor. lol. i think 60m x 30 would be a good way to kill myself for about a week.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 02:21:46 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2464 on: June 03, 2014, 07:53:27 am »
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comparing these to maria's and t0ddday's videos is very depressing. no power, striking the ground with my leg bent and forefoot-first instead of heel first, getting what i thought was a decent leg lift on the front of the cycle by flexing my upper body forward...awful.

first set, fun starts at 0:18

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=424kpK5StqI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=424kpK5StqI</a>

third set, fun starts at 0:20

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x96aRfL5E" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x96aRfL5E</a>

i think i'm a little better on grass, for what it's worth, but not THAT much better. adistar and t0ddday in particular, little help?
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2465 on: June 03, 2014, 08:02:01 am »
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Oh , so your bounds  are awful compared to a 10:xx 100m sprinter and a 20 year old pro long jump athlete? Soooo depressing!  :P

Jokes aside, they are not that bad. I am sure they would improve fast if you kept at them, no? That is what maria suggested too in her journal IIRC, practice makes perfect ( no shit ! ).
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2466 on: June 03, 2014, 08:05:49 am »
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yeah but it's not like they're different in degree, they're different in kind: it looks like i'm doing a different exercise, to me.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2467 on: June 03, 2014, 10:18:39 am »
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i'm still a beginner in sprinting, but looking at your bounding video, I can give some suggestions, which i hope you may find helpful.

I remember there was this website, which taught bounding, but can't remember the link, but they provided a step by step progression approach, which was skipping, skipping for height and then from there to bounding as bounding is like skipping for height.

secondly, the second video is better than the first video, but the description you gave about your heel hitting the ground first rather than forefoot (balls of your foot) looking at your video, is a result from when you are bounding, you seem to drive the feet down hard and emphasize on bringing knee's; the quick high knee to quick driving your feet down is slowing you down and making you less elastic, so something you can try, is from running start, when you bound on the first step skip high and your knees should go up, don't bring it any higher, than instead of driving down hard, think of letting your feet ahead but without emphasizing on reaching too far ahead, just extend your legs when in the air and coming close to the ground you should land on your fore foot and think of pushing of the forefoot and repeat with the other leg.

That's the only thing i could spot from the video, just my 2 cents.

some videos on bounding, you can see he doesn't bring knees high but parallel and the feet doesn't drive down but the lower leg extends before driving down. but don't recommend on concrete, which they were doing on in the last part of the video.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSYq1GrCjlI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSYq1GrCjlI</a>

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« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 04:25:21 pm by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

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A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2468 on: June 03, 2014, 11:42:32 am »
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thanks seifullaah, and thanks for reposting that video, although you used the wrong tags for it. that does seem like a good progression to try.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2469 on: June 03, 2014, 12:21:12 pm »
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About your shoulder issues: I don't know what exactly is bothering you but what worked wonders for me was doing lots of rowing type movements (cable rows, db rows whatever) and stuff like YTW's, band pullaparts, face pulls, dumbell protractions/retractions etc. for the upperback.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2470 on: June 03, 2014, 01:47:36 pm »
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Wow, 60m x 30!
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2471 on: June 03, 2014, 01:50:01 pm »
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Anyway, your bounds don't look bad at all... at least you have some power in them etc... you haven't seen mine yet. LRLR is IMPOSSIBLE to do for me... especially since I'm a guy that doesn't like to bend the knee in the first place.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2472 on: June 03, 2014, 02:20:20 pm »
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here's the vid that seifullaah was trying to embed:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSYq1GrCjlI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSYq1GrCjlI</a>
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2473 on: June 03, 2014, 04:26:11 pm »
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thanks seifullaah, and thanks for reposting that video, although you used the wrong tags for it. that does seem like a good progression to try.

Lol mistakenly pressed image rather youtube
Fixed now.

I'm glad it was of some help.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2474 on: June 03, 2014, 10:22:21 pm »
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Here's some interesting insights from talking to one of the assistant coaches in my track squad on the bounding/form issue. When the form on an exercise is not technically 'perfect', the coach has to assess two things:

1) Is the exercise still giving a training benefit with the form used and;

2) Is the form being used likely to predispose the athlete to injury?

If the answer is no in both cases, then it's fine to continue to keep performing the exercise with the intent to improve the form slowly over time with practice. If however, the athlete is either not doing them with enough speed/force so that they're essentially just skipping with no hang time, or they have an obvious fault which may cause injury (i.e. obvious left/right imbalances, knee valgus/varus etc.) they need to back off and work on different drills to teach the movement. I think in your (LBSS's) case, while it doesn't look as smooth as say, the triple jumper in the vid, you're still doing it fast enough and with enough force to get a training benefit. Additionally, the form doesn't look dangerous or out of control - dorsiflexion looks OK as well (which is the bit I have trouble with). So I'd say keep it up (and keep filming). It's only an assistance exercise after all, unless you're planning on transitioning in triple jump.