Interesting topic. At first glance one might thing they're unrelated because one relies on explosiveness and power(fast twitch muscle) whereas the other relies on endurance but I imagine there is a pretty good correlation in a trained state due to structural characteristics. So if you have a body structure efficient enough to run a sub 5 minute mile you most definitely also have a body structure pretty efficient at getting up in the air as well.
Yup definitely. Many of the same characteristics are there. If someone wants to jump high and run fast over distance, I definitely believe they can. Last year I got my SLRVJ back up to around 32" or so, while running quite a bit. The key was to just get out there and get my jumps in, and when I was feeling good, really get after it, max effort. I don't think they are as hard to mix as people think. Too much of one will surely impact the other, beneficially in the context of structural characteristics & detrimentally in the context of maximal gains, due to fatigue, but that's just something you can tweak as you oscillate back and forth between which one you care about the most - at the time. The good news is that tapering/deloading is great for running, and surely it would be great for jumping.
If we look at a guy like Mo Farah, his times across 400m, 800m, 1500m, 1 mile, 2 mile, 5k, 10k, half, and even marathon are mind blowing. These guys have to have some serious horse power & bounce to maintain such blazing sub-maximal paces for so long. If a guy like that was into "dunking" (for fun, vert bro), i'm sure he'd be able to get way up off one leg, especially when he deloads his run volume. The kind of horse power an elite miler, 5k, 10k, or half marathoner needs over 400m is I imagine, considerably more than most vert enthusiasts. The only missing ingredient at this point, is jump reps, IMHO.
I wanted to do a hybrid, so I could have been a good guinea pig for this kind of "experiment". When I think about resuming jumping though, I just worry more about injury & not derailing my running progress, so that seems to keep me from executing the hybrid. I did start jumping again in a basketball gym a few months ago, using a new rule: pro surface basketball gym jumping only. I felt great in there & miss it, but who knows 8| Running has just become much more important to me, because I can compete in it. Can't compete doing the same dunk over and over
I feel like I could definitely hit 35" L-SLRVJ still AND have sub5 mile speed. Honestly, the faster I get on the track/road, the more I can feel it translate to my potential jumping ability, if I were to focus on it as well. The gains in power, reactivity, and work capacity make me feel more & more like when I was at my peak during dunking.
I was going to do some jumps yesterday at the court, but didn't.
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I remember AlexV ran a study where they took a group of cross country runners and put around 6 inches on their average vert using strength movements over 6-8 weeks. I think it was for his masters thesis. But that's a pretty good increase relative to normal.
ah I forgot about that. That was some nice info.
also, wonder how AlexV is doing?
I am too lazy to use my head to read thru this and too dumb to understand it real fast. cliff notes please
agreed, lost me.
well, it's simple IMHO. We are impressed with elite dunkers, who can drop legit 50's. We try to get to 35" RVJ, then 40', etc. So what would the equivalent be, in the context of 1 hard mile.
Our first major milestone is usually a 35" RVJ, and in mile terms, that would be a ~5:20 mile, according to my imaginary chart.
Your peak vert would have you around 4:50-4:55 for a mile. So for example, if someone was asking you what your vert was, and they had no idea how high that is, but they were a runner, you could tell them it was the equivalent of a ~4:50 mile
I'd like to get to an official <= 4:40 mile, get into that 35-39 all american standard
, so the vert equivalent of that would be ~42+
My major goal is 4:2X's though .. I mean that's what i'd need to wreck everyone at these mile races. Lofty. In the context of vert, that would be ~43".
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