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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2011, 09:30:49 pm »
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Quote from: PointerRyan on January 19, 2011, 08:20:43 pm
oh right so small breaths when using valsalva methods, and use it for 5rm and below lifts, right?

and if lifts mroe tha n5rm, then jsut breathe normall?

FWIW, I use valsalva maneuver for at least part of the ROM for all compound lifts I do -- squat, DL, bench, OHP -- regardless of rep range, including warm ups. It helps so much with maintaining a solid core, which might not be a huge issue on the first rep of a set of 8 but can be a big one on the last couple of reps. Practicing it has allowed me to do it more easily and with less blood pressure issues when I do end up going heavy.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2011, 09:40:33 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on January 19, 2011, 09:30:49 pm
Quote from: PointerRyan on January 19, 2011, 08:20:43 pm
oh right so small breaths when using valsalva methods, and use it for 5rm and below lifts, right?

and if lifts mroe tha n5rm, then jsut breathe normall?

FWIW, I use valsalva maneuver for at least part of the ROM for all compound lifts I do -- squat, DL, bench, OHP -- regardless of rep range, including warm ups. It helps so much with maintaining a solid core, which might not be a huge issue on the first rep of a set of 8 but can be a big one on the last couple of reps. Practicing it has allowed me to do it more easily and with less blood pressure issues when I do end up going heavy.

ic , so do i use valsalva on sets of 12 of lunges too?
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2011, 12:19:32 am »
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Quote from: LanceSTS on January 14, 2011, 02:38:32 pm
Quote from: PointerRyan on January 14, 2011, 12:48:18 pm
lol of course i dont. But sometimes usign this method makes me feel a little dizzy. Maybe i dont have to use this method on lifts more than 10reps?



The key to using it effectively without the dizziness or other side effects is to control the amount of air you take in before holding the breath.  Most people take too large of a breath when they first begin doing this, its not neccessary, take about 3 quarters to half as much air in, push out into the belly, and you will be fine.  You can use this for as many reps as you need, just exhale at the top of the movement and get another breath.  And yes, one of the major problems with people doing lunges is they dont breathe correctly, and get sloppy from being in a hurry, you need to treat them like a squat.  Inhale at the top, hold the breath through the sticking point, exhale at the top or after the sticking point, repeat.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2011, 12:28:39 am »
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o right my bad.

bu twhy i pant after set of lunges, is because i'm already using lots of energy by just gripping the dumbbell and making sure my form is proper. i e ven use wrist straps, but as i progressed in the weight, it gets harder.

of course my grip strength is limited and weak, but i cant just sit around waiting until my foprearms grow bigger then only progress in weights. i mean, wouldnt that spoil the point of , doing lunges which is suppose to train your legs?

i was thinking, since i use 47.5lbs dbells for 12 reps of lunges, if i would to hvea low volume day for lunges, but 47.5lbs dbbells is my grip strength limit with wrist straps( i could do 50 but i'm sure i can lift much more than 100lbs for 5-8 reps), so should i use baqrbell for those?

andrew said to use db, but i'm not sure when can i move on to barbell.

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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2011, 12:37:56 am »
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Quote from: PointerRyan on January 20, 2011, 12:28:39 am
o right my bad.

bu twhy i pant after set of lunges, is because i'm already using lots of energy by just gripping the dumbbell and making sure my form is proper. i e ven use wrist straps, but as i progressed in the weight, it gets harder.

of course my grip strength is limited and weak, but i cant just sit around waiting until my foprearms grow bigger then only progress in weights. i mean, wouldnt that spoil the point of , doing lunges which is suppose to train your legs?

i was thinking, since i use 47.5lbs dbells for 12 reps of lunges, if i would to hvea low volume day for lunges, but 47.5lbs dbbells is my grip strength limit with wrist straps( i could do 50 but i'm sure i can lift much more than 100lbs for 5-8 reps), so should i use baqrbell for those?

andrew said to use db, but i'm not sure when can i move on to barbell.

thx

Being that you have another thread on how the bar hurts you to squat with it on your traps, I would stick with dumbells for a while, you shouldnt have a problem with grip while using straps.  Have someone at your gym who has been lifting for a while or a trainer show you how to wrap them correctly, youre probably not doing it right if youre feeling your grip give out with straps on 50 lb dumbells.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2011, 01:11:41 am »
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well i've seen videos on youtube. They sure do help my grip, but i mean, sometimes, my hadns are real sweaty, and i accidentally loosen my grip, which causes the straps wrapped aroudn the dumbbel to be looser. Yesterday i  did one set, as my ankle hurted. My grip was a lil tired only. I normally do two sets, after that it'll be quite tired, but not s exhausting.

I normally do my right leg, followed by a minute rest for my forearms to recover, then do my left, and so on.

and this is how i wear the lifting straps on.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv_ibNvIoog

jump to about 50secodns of the video.

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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 01:22:34 am »
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oh yh, i dotn think its my forearms that are just weak, my back too i guess? coz i mean, i have not much upper back muscle, so thats why i probably suffer with holding the db?
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