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PointerRyan

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valsalva maneuver
« on: January 14, 2011, 12:17:41 pm »
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Hey, andrew mentioned somethign about valsalva maneuver. I've checked it out, but there is this site which kinda scares me about the effects of using valsalva maneuver. check out the second post of the forum topic:

http://www.exrx.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25626&sid=a172f0c893a4c1302dbf43cba1b14b73



Well, It seems by using this valsalva maneuver can cause reduced blood flow to
the heart and insufficient oxygen supply to the brain, which could cause dizziness and
temporary loss of consciousness.

Now, If i pant hard after certain exercises by using this method, does that means i should just use a normal breathing? Example, lunges. What I meant by normal breathing here is when i go down on lunges, i inhale, as i go up , i exhale.

I knwo its better to use valsalva maneuver for squats , But how about other exercises like lugnes and 45degree back extension?

So any thoguths on this method? should i use it , or use it on certain exercise?

thx and chao
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 12:42:58 pm »
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You don't do Valsalva for an unending five minutes, don't you? :ninja:
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 12:48:18 pm »
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lol of course i dont. But sometimes usign this method makes me feel a little dizzy. Maybe i dont have to use this method on lifts more than 10reps?

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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 01:41:33 pm »
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Afaik, valsalva is for like ~3 reps or less, like when you're getting into +90%, and you gotta be solid.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 02:34:07 pm »
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Well you're going to relax a bit at the top of a squat, reset, and go with a rep with valsalva again. It's obviously useful when you need as much of a stable spine as possible.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 02:38:32 pm »
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Quote from: PointerRyan on January 14, 2011, 12:48:18 pm
lol of course i dont. But sometimes usign this method makes me feel a little dizzy. Maybe i dont have to use this method on lifts more than 10reps?



The key to using it effectively without the dizziness or other side effects is to control the amount of air you take in before holding the breath.  Most people take too large of a breath when they first begin doing this, its not neccessary, take about 3 quarters to half as much air in, push out into the belly, and you will be fine.  You can use this for as many reps as you need, just exhale at the top of the movement and get another breath.  And yes, one of the major problems with people doing lunges is they dont breathe correctly, and get sloppy from being in a hurry, you need to treat them like a squat.  Inhale at the top, hold the breath through the sticking point, exhale at the top or after the sticking point, repeat.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 05:57:51 pm »
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I thought the valsalva maneuver was when you pop your ears to equalize pressure in your ear drums???
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 06:09:58 pm »
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I thought it was when you ejaculate to compensate for the punch in the belly by your girlfriend/boyfriend/alien/dog etc.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 09:34:22 am »
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lol raptor.


well, i could do what you said, but wont not taking enough breath cause you to pant more?


thx for asnwers btw
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 09:55:42 am »
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Well see what happens, when you ejaculate etc. You can film it to see if... you know... you're using the "proper technique". :ninja:
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 10:38:13 am »
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lol raptor,  i was actually asking lance.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 11:56:15 am »
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I would've never know :ninja:
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2011, 01:21:58 pm »
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Quote from: PointerRyan on January 16, 2011, 09:34:22 am
lol raptor.


well, i could do what you said, but wont not taking enough breath cause you to pant more?


thx for asnwers btw


when you breathe normally, do you take an extremely deep breath, or do you take a smaller, normal sized one?  Youre HOLDING your breath btw, if you were "panting" that would entail inhaling and exhaling.  The technique still works very well with a much smaller amount of air held in, too much air and youre going to feel the dizziness/etc.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2011, 01:51:28 pm »
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It's weird in a way... you'd expect to get dizzy with a smaller amount of air due to lack of oxygene, but probably the dizziness comes from a hightened blood pressure and not from the lack of oxygene.
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Re: valsalva maneuver
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2011, 08:20:43 pm »
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oh right so small breaths when using valsalva methods, and use it for 5rm and below lifts, right?

and if lifts mroe tha n5rm, then jsut breathe normall?
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