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why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« on: September 13, 2011, 01:20:12 pm »
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For those of you that follow him, no, this is not a post about Lyle's interminable amateur anthropological examination of sports success and failure. I love the guy's writing and he knows a shit ton more than I ever will about training and nutrition but god damn, is that series a waste of time.

Rather, this is to link to a 6-part article that Lyle links to in one part of his series, entitled "There Is No System" and written by Andrew Charniga, Jr. It's here: http://sportivnypress.com/documents/51.html

Lot of food for thought about training methodologies, especially w/r/t isometric and general strength/bodybuilding training for athletics.

Enjoy.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 01:38:29 pm »
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U.S sucks at olympic lifting because

1. it's not a major interest of athletes, coaches, or athletic programs in the US
2. usa doesn't screen youth & force them into olympic lifting camps to develop them
3. it doesn't pay well
4. most every gym (high school, college, commercial) doesn't have real olympic bars, bumpers, & platforms
5. "powerlifting" and strongman are much more "fun" & popular in the u.s.

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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 01:41:30 pm »
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lack of popularity hurts, but it doesn't explain why we rapidly went from dominant in the 30's, 40's and 50's to completely irrelevant starting in the mid-60's.

i repeat: interesting articles are interesting.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 02:14:58 pm »
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That site needs a major redesign and readability isn't working. Will attempt to read despite eye pain.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 02:22:28 pm »
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That site needs a major redesign and readability isn't working. Will attempt to read despite eye pain.

true and true.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2011, 03:10:53 pm »
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US sucks at any sport because the best athletes play football or basketball, for the most part

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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2011, 03:36:32 pm »
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US sucks at any sport because the best athletes play football or basketball, for the most part

i hope you're joking.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2011, 05:14:20 pm »
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US sucks at any sport because the best athletes play football or basketball, for the most part

i hope you're joking.

Look at US performance in athletics. The man is just telling the facts as they stand. I mean, first and third in long jump and second in 400m is pathetic!
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2011, 05:15:30 pm »
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We can't be good at every sport. I bet we don't even have our "potentially" fastest athletes in sprinting. And I agree with bball2020. I don't see how you think he's joking unless you are reading what he is saying incorrectly. He's not saying we suck at any sport besides basketball/football, he's saying if we do suck it's because our top athletes are playing other sports.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2011, 06:25:24 pm »
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We can't be good at every sport. I bet we don't even have our "potentially" fastest athletes in sprinting. And I agree with bball2020. I don't see how you think he's joking unless you are reading what he is saying incorrectly. He's not saying we suck at any sport besides basketball/football, he's saying if we do suck it's because our top athletes are playing other sports.

i hope you're both trolling me because it's almost working.
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 06:32:31 pm »
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None of the best athletes play basketball. Except nate robinson I guess?
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2011, 07:01:59 pm »
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With the exception that USA PEOPLE don't even really exist. To take true American people to participate would mean to take those from Cherokee and Sioux indian tribes.

You're basing the success of your country pretty much totally on imigrants and former slaves and you're proud of it. Nicely done :highfive:
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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2011, 07:31:58 pm »
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and everyone from every european country can link their lineage fully back to where they currently reside?

but seriously football and basketball take ALOT of the best athletes.

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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2011, 07:54:29 pm »
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U.S sucks at olympic lifting because

1. it's not a major interest of athletes, coaches, or athletic programs in the US
2. usa doesn't screen youth & force them into olympic lifting camps to develop them
3. it doesn't pay well
4. most every gym (high school, college, commercial) doesn't have real olympic bars, bumpers, & platforms
5. "powerlifting" and strongman are much more "fun" & popular in the u.s.

:F


I don't think it's just that but the kids who would be good oly lifters don't just miss out on getting exposed to the sport but get filtered out of highschool sports because they often don't really suit anything else. Especially the REALLY small ones. A lot of guys who would be really good middle to heavyweightlifter lifters will also suck at anything that involves running. Chad Vaughan for example has a club foot. Didn't stop him clean and jerking over 90% of the world record for his weight class.

lack of popularity hurts, but it doesn't explain why we rapidly went from dominant in the 30's, 40's and 50's to completely irrelevant starting in the mid-60's.

i repeat: interesting articles are interesting.

The sport changed. Up until that point the US had a comparatively large number of guys lifting and had access to enough food. Other countries didn't until later. Somwhere in these years doctors were saying lifting heavy things is dangerous and Add in the rule changes in the mid 60s to allow the bar to touch the thighs and suddenly the snatch and clean and jerk mattered a lot more. It's really damn hard to snatch/clean and jerk without the bar brushing the thighs and suddenly someone with more lower body strength and better pull mechanics could lift a lot more. Training became a lot more specialized and sophisticated. With the press being dropped in 1972 it almost completely changed the sport.

US sucks at any sport because the best athletes play football or basketball, for the most part

You're successful in a lot of other sports despite that. It's the exposure and talent identification.

We can't be good at every sport. I bet we don't even have our "potentially" fastest athletes in sprinting. And I agree with bball2020. I don't see how you think he's joking unless you are reading what he is saying incorrectly. He's not saying we suck at any sport besides basketball/football, he's saying if we do suck it's because our top athletes are playing other sports.

Have a look at the guys dropping some of the lowest 40 times who also ran 100m in college. They're not running 9.58 any time soon. Fast over 40 yard with dodgy timing does not make you fast against olympic sprinters over 100m with full electronic timing.

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Re: why the us sucks at olympic lifting
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2011, 07:54:57 pm »
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and everyone from every european country can link their lineage fully back to where they currently reside?

but seriously football and basketball take ALOT of the best athletes.

How many 4'10 56kg lifters did football and basketball steal recently?