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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2011, 11:32:34 pm »
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How can mass be detrimental when the execution of any athletic act requires the presence of a physical body in the first place?.

Andy Bolton has a twin brother.

Andy Bolton 1 weighs 350lbs.
Andy Bolton 2 weighs 180lbs.
Both can lift the same numbers & all others factors remain constant.

They perform some athletic testing.

Which Andy Bolton can jump the highest, run the fastest & furthest?. And why?.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 11:35:59 pm by $ick3nin.v3nd3tta »

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2011, 12:16:17 am »
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How can mass be detrimental when the execution of any athletic act requires the presence of a physical body in the first place?.

Andy Bolton has a twin brother.

Andy Bolton 1 weighs 350lbs.
Andy Bolton 2 weighs 180lbs.
Both can lift the same numbers & all others factors remain constant.

They perform some athletic testing.

Which Andy Bolton can jump the highest, run the fastest & furthest?. And why?.

neither, the tooth fairy wins this one hands down.
Relax.

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2011, 01:00:30 am »
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How can mass be detrimental when the execution of any athletic act requires the presence of a physical body in the first place?.

Andy Bolton has a twin brother.

Andy Bolton 1 weighs 350lbs.
Andy Bolton 2 weighs 180lbs.
Both can lift the same numbers & all others factors remain constant.

They perform some athletic testing.

Which Andy Bolton can jump the highest, run the fastest & furthest?. And why?.

andy bolton #2, what do i win ??

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2011, 06:27:31 am »
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That's it, I'm getting fat. See, Rippetoe was right when he transformed that kid into a fat slob. That's how athletes look.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2011, 06:50:33 am »
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How can mass be detrimental when the execution of any athletic act requires the presence of a physical body in the first place?.

Andy Bolton has a twin brother.

Andy Bolton 1 weighs 350lbs.
Andy Bolton 2 weighs 180lbs.
Both can lift the same numbers & all others factors remain constant.

They perform some athletic testing.

Which Andy Bolton can jump the highest, run the fastest & furthest?. And why?.

Why don't you write a mail to Andy Bolton to ask him if he could still deadlift over 1000 lbs if he was 180 lbs?

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2011, 07:56:16 am »
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Michael Bolton can deadlift 1000? :o

I always thought there's something fishy with that guy.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2011, 08:02:28 am »
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I understand what raptor is getting at. But if your relative strength is increasing, despite significant amounts of muscle mass, why would the CNS think you are heavy? You should perceive yourself as being lighter and more nimble.

I've been PRing like crazy this summer but I have not gained much muscle mass in my legs, or strength in my lifts. I think most of my gains are coming form bone/tendons/ligaments not muscle.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2011, 10:26:36 am »
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No they are not, it's the CNS that has adapted to fire the electrical impulses better.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2011, 01:57:41 pm »
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I don't understand why you would have to feel heavier, i think you would feel lighter, especially if CNS firing improves
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2011, 02:54:30 pm »
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I don't understand why you would have to feel heavier, i think you would feel lighter, especially if CNS firing improves

If you suddenly lose mass, then yeah.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2011, 07:25:48 pm »
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Why don't you write a mail to Andy Bolton to ask him if he could still deadlift over 1000 lbs if he was 180 lbs?.

Original Link: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l3a.cfm


Newtons laws of motion cannot be challenged here in this thread.


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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2011, 07:44:59 pm »
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Why don't you write a mail to Andy Bolton to ask him if he could still deadlift over 1000 lbs if he was 180 lbs?.

Original Link: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l3a.cfm

Your reasoning skills are impressive.

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2011, 08:36:56 pm »
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Why don't you write a mail to Andy Bolton to ask him if he could still deadlift over 1000 lbs if he was 180 lbs?.

Original Link: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l3a.cfm


Newtons laws of motion cannot be challenged here in this thread.




you sir are an amazing species of moron, can i bring you to show and tell in my science class?  do not argue with avishek if he said something it is right you dont know shit bottom line.

avishek> $ick3nin.v3d3tta bottom line ya

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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2011, 08:59:25 pm »
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you sir are an amazing species of moron, can i bring you to show and tell in my science class?  do not argue with avishek if he said something it is right you dont know shit bottom line.

avishek> $ick3nin.v3d3tta bottom line ya

lol.

Newtons law has just single handily been debunked.



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Re: Who would jump higher and why?
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2011, 11:31:57 pm »
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I don't understand why you would have to feel heavier, i think you would feel lighter, especially if CNS firing improves

If you suddenly lose mass, then yeah.

So what do you think about the Squat Dr. guy, 200 lbs squatting 600+, while still developing forces at a high rate (he sprinted as well and reported fast times, believing it or not is another thing). His body seriously thinks he is "heavy" when he is developing such forces? Of course there are countless other examples of people like this, such as many football players, sprinters (maurice greene, chambers (who has a huge vert, huge squat, and a lot of muscle mass).

If I move to Jupiter for 3 months, then come back here, I should feel lighter, not heavier despite gains in muscle mass. If I go on a spaceship flight to the moon, and lose bone/muscle mass, i will be lighter, but feel heavier.

If I jump around on a trampoline for a while, I feel heavier even though I perceived myself to be lighter while on the trampoline. After a set of 3 of squat jumps, I feel lighter, despite feeling heavier with a lot of weight on my back.

Which systems coordinate these 'feelings' is my real question.

I see the analogy of higher muscle mass compared to an engine, but it seems like you're comparing the CNS to that engine with is not analogous, it should be the heart you're talking about, and the CNS the driver of the car. If your strength, especially explosive strength keeps increasing, how can the muscle mass be considered a burden? Furthermore if we are performing explosive strength training the tendons are hypertrophying as well and this results in further strength gains so the discussino should not just include muscle.

« Last Edit: July 24, 2011, 11:34:32 pm by Avishek »
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf