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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 12:15:50 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on March 20, 2012, 01:43:37 pm
I have gone 4 months straight without deloading before. Never felt the need to. When it's the time to deload you'll know it.

I think thats what he meant.
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 04:45:56 am »
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Quote from: LanceSTS on March 21, 2012, 12:15:50 am
Quote from: Raptor on March 20, 2012, 01:43:37 pm
I have gone 4 months straight without deloading before. Never felt the need to. When it's the time to deload you'll know it.

I think thats what he meant.

Yeah , i thought so too , just wanted to mess with him.  :P

On a serious note , i don't like arguments like that "i haven't deloaded for 4 months". So what? Someone asked for advice on deloading , we should give him legit advice and not pull-out-of-my-ass-broscience shit.
That article about overreaching/overtraining that LBSS posted was right on spot.

Some very useful stuff ( with overlap with LBSS's reference ) here :
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/PlannedOvertraining.html
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Quote from: adarqui on May 17, 2021, 04:57:01 pm
it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 07:42:58 am »
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Well I was responding based on my previous experience. I don't see anything wrong with that. That's the best advice I can give, if he thinks is of any value. For ME personally, that's how I work. There was a time where I would deload every 3 weeks or so, for just a bit. I don't think that was too smart, there's no need to deload when... there's no need. IMO
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 08:11:01 am »
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^^^
Nothing bad with sharing personal experience , on the contrary its very useful.
Taking your personal experience as a guide to give advice though might be wrong and/or even dangerous.
No big deal anyway, I don't even disagree with that "When it's the time to deload you'll know it" statement , i would just prefer it to be stated a bit more elaborating.
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Quote from: adarqui on May 17, 2021, 04:57:01 pm
it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 09:35:15 am »
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Quote from: vag on March 21, 2012, 08:11:01 am
No big deal anyway, I don't even disagree with that "When it's the time to deload you'll know it" statement , i would just prefer it to be stated a bit more elaborating.

When it's time to deload, you will know that the macronutrients that nurish the somatic cells have become overwhelmed and it's time to decrease the neural load on the CNS to relieve the muscle cells and ATP stores of this stressful stimuli, doing so will provide a recovery benefit and will boost the creatine stores in the muscle cells, plus some T1-T3 hormone respose mechanisms that mean you're going to squat more after this.

Like this ^^^?
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 09:44:15 am »
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^ lmao , dickhead! :uhhhfacepalm:  :P
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Quote from: adarqui on May 17, 2021, 04:57:01 pm
it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 11:42:45 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on March 21, 2012, 07:42:58 am
Well I was responding based on my previous experience. I don't see anything wrong with that. That's the best advice I can give, if he thinks is of any value. For ME personally, that's how I work. There was a time where I would deload every 3 weeks or so, for just a bit. I don't think that was too smart, there's no need to deload when... there's no need. IMO

just giving you a hard time, man. you're not wrong.
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2012, 02:05:39 am »
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Lol well thanks guys but raptor's reproal experience does help though since i probably dont need as much deloading as i think i do. If i could go on 4months then i should. As long as i'm progressing and deloading wouldnt help me improve if i would to use it at a current point of time, i dont deloading yeah? But meh had a great workout the following session after that bad day. Lets see how this goes
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2012, 02:06:31 am »
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Lol well thanks guys but raptor's reproal experience does help though since i probably dont need as much deloading as i think i do. If i could go on 4months then i should. As long as i'm progressing and deloading wouldnt help me improve if i would to use it at a current point of time, i dont deloading yeah? But meh had a great workout the following session after that bad day. Lets see how this goes
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2012, 06:05:55 am »
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^
Generally speaking, reading X's and Y's personal experience is nice and getting  some ideas/guidelines from people that have been training for years is great , but using them to setup your training is wrong.
You should take a trusted coach's experience that has read some books and trained 500 Xs and 400 Ys.
Profession/specialty vs broscience , choose wisely.
Cheers.
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Quote from: adarqui on May 17, 2021, 04:57:01 pm
it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2012, 06:09:50 am »
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Yeah the point is though that if you're indeed progressing then you don't need a deload. If you aren't progressing anymore, a deload might be an option (among others).
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2012, 07:39:16 am »
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Quote from: vag on March 22, 2012, 06:05:55 am
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Generally speaking, reading X's and Y's personal experience is nice and getting  some ideas/guidelines from people that have been training for years is great , but using them to setup your training is wrong.
You should take a trusted coach's experience that has read some books and trained 500 Xs and 400 Ys.
Profession/specialty vs broscience , choose wisely.
Cheers.
yeah true will do :)
well i guess thats why i created a thread for everybody who knows bout deloading  o advice or sahre their experience?haha definitely  i cant take someoen who has been training for years  and use it to setup my training/. but well, at least i learn some thing haha
Quote from: Raptor on March 22, 2012, 06:09:50 am
Yeah the point is though that if you're indeed progressing then you don't need a deload. If you aren't progressing anymore, a deload might be an option (among others).

rigtht so if its just one workout i dont progress, i dont need a d eload yeah? how many workouts minimum or maximum in a row that you dont progress on you'd consider a deload ? o
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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2012, 09:51:47 am »
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I don't know, but definitely more than a workout. Plus there are things to check before deloading (have you been eating well, resting well, training well? etc)
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All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2012, 09:22:03 pm »
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Man I always screw my de-loads and end up losing strength.


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Re: Time when i should deload?
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2012, 07:11:39 am »
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Quote from: Dreyth on March 22, 2012, 09:22:03 pm
Man I always screw my de-loads and end up losing strength.


 :'(

Yeah but you really need to ask yourself "am I really losing strength or am I actually losing movement efficiency "strength" in certain gym exercises".
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
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All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps
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