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T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« on: August 15, 2011, 04:54:51 pm »
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Notice how much coil & twisting torque T-DUB generates in the muscles, tendons, elastic fascia etc on Rucker Park NYC dunk vid below. Coiling/twisting increases elastic energy through spiralling of the myosin filaments.




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BoingVERT::: T-DUB::: HAS ANYONE EVER JUMPED HIGHER ON A DUNK?.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhx56uqsBjQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhx56uqsBjQ</a>


Notice how much winding/twisting torque is going through his Achilles tendons when he plants his feet.

See the feet slide in when he plants?. Left foot facing cam. Twisted repeats.






WOW!.

That is straight up achilles tendon/myosin filaments maximal overlap right there.



Guyton (1984) speculated that once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction (Verkhoshansky & Siff, 1996). Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted.


Following on...


I just watched the vid in slow-mo just now from the front cam (head-on shot).

He plants his right foot first, as he plants that foot, he hasn't coiled his upperbody yet (counter-rotated into lowerbody/achilles tendon). His body is still facing forwards towards the basket at this point.

As the left foot plants, he counter-rotates/twists upperbody into lowerbody/Achilles. HUGE, HUGE counter rotation going on.  At lift-off whole body/Achilles is coiled/twisted, you see his body facing the side on cam.). He's put massive coil into both right & left foot (planting) from counter-rotating with the upperbody. He just coils then uncoils. Even though he is putting coil through most of the body, it's the coil he produces in his Achilles/plant that is the defining factor.

HUGE ELASTIC ENERGY DEVELOPMENT.



Develop the strength in the gym, develop T-DUBS technique/coiling/elastic energy at the basket.


Video below.

Same lay-up & plants with nearly every dunk.

Look at 1:14. Exact same body angles produced as in the Rucker Park NYC vid, just a different run-up angle. Look carefully where his feet are pointing when he plants (crazy).


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPFfSO8xozI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPFfSO8xozI</a>



That is T-DUBS secret. The torque/coil he generates through his core/Achilles/knee tendons with every dunk (refer to quote).



The rod in the video below references exactly what is happening when we talk about spiralling/torquing/coiling of the myosin filaments, tendons, muscles, elastic fascia etc through months/years of coiled dunkin'.

Next time you watch the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid, think about the yellow rod in the vid. His hand at the bottom of the rod are T-DUBS Achilles.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvi1kdo4Wg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvi1kdo4Wg</a>


The more you coil the rod (myosin filaments, tendons, muscles, elastic fascia etc), the faster everything snaps back (uncoils).



It doesn't matter how many exercises Air alert, BoingVERT, MadBounce etc etc come out with, NO EXERCISE in terms of generating full body elastic energy can compete with T-DUBS planting technique. NONE. You hearin' me adarqui?.  (refer to quote).  It's a combination of high bodyweight forces mixed with spiralling of the myosin filaments.



The Catapult Mechanism: Elastic Recoil of Fascial Tissues.


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Kangaroos can hop much farther and faster than can be explained by the force of the contraction of their leg muscles. Under closer scrutiny, scientists discovered that a spring -like action is behind the unique ability: the so-called catapult mechanism (Kram & Dawson 1998). Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible. Hardy surprising, scientist thereafter found the same mechanism is also used by gazelles. These animals are also capable of per-forming impressive leaping as well as running, though their musculature is not especially powerful. On the contrary, gazelles are generally considered to be rather delicate, making the springy ease of their incredible jumps all the more interesting.


Fascia expresses a significant increased elastic storage capacity (how much is still not truly known).

How is it developed?.

One way is preparatory counter-movement. "Multidirectional movements, with slight changes in angle are utilized; this might include sideways or diagonal movement variations as well as spiralling rotations. With this method, large areas of the fascial network are simultaneously involved".


Now I can see why T-DUBS movement is a perfect dunkin' exercise. It's full body.






















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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 07:48:01 pm »
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 09:49:41 am »
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Once again $ick3nin.v3nd3tta proves his knowledge and unique understanding of sports performance.

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 12:37:01 pm »
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.

It's not really a secret technique.

All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons), as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on.  Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way.

T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks.

There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid).

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 01:30:38 pm »
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.

It's not really a secret technique.

All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons) enjoy being a rare freak of nature, as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on.  Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way the vast majority of people that have to work their asses off under the squat bar hoping to reach just some decent percentage of his inhuman natural strength/power levels.

T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks genetics , all he has to do is get off the couch and jump 50''. Whatever he does , boingvert , air alert , backpedal bike , abs&stretch ( AUT ) will seem to work and gain him inches.

There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid) anyone sane would believe that being probably the best jumper/dunker in the whole word has to do with some ankle rotation.

Bam.

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« Last Edit: August 16, 2011, 01:33:43 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 01:40:13 pm »
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.

It's not really a secret technique.

All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons), as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on.  Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way.



im confused, t-dub squares up to the basket, yet i dunk head on, which makes no sense, because dunking head on is squaring up to the basket..

what's even more confusing, is the fact that i don't dunk head on, i rotate into my plant and my feet are usually pointed to the left of the rim/basket.

here's a pic from last dunk session:



here's a pic from today:



explain to me how i jump square? i rotate hard into my plant..




t-dub is never squared to the basket....  maybe you should stop talking out of your ass and post exact examples of what you're trying to talk about... http://www.adarq.org/forum/crazy-weird-analysis-stuff-)/various-jumpers-plants/

you know who adarqui plants like in that thread? AUT/GC.. similar plant on my best jumps.. you notice how most of the people in that thread don't plant at all like t-dub, yet still fly? that's because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

here, lemme help you..

not squared:







squared:










now explain to me how people who jump squared jump around just as high as t-dub? also explain to me how people who jump with a slight rotation (darlington/AUT/GC/YH etc) jump as high as t-dub?






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T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks.

There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid).

Bam.


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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 01:42:05 pm »
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wait, t-dub has a secret technique to jump insane? who taught it to him? or does he do it naturally? and if people incorporate this spiraling technique, how many instant inches can they expect?.

It's not really a secret technique.

All T-DUB is doing is squaring up his body/feet to the basket (increasing elastic torque throughout his whole body, mainly achilles tendons) enjoy being a rare freak of nature, as opposed to you who dunks mainly head on.  Your not storing & releasing any elastic energy dunking that way the vast majority of people that have to work their asses off under the squat bar hoping to reach just some decent percentage of his inhuman natural strength/power levels.

T-DUBS secret lies in his Achilles tendons due to all the winding/twisting his body imparts on them when he plants his feet through 100's/1000's of dunks genetics , all he has to do is get off the couch and jump 50''. Whatever he does , boingvert , air alert , backpedal bike , abs&stretch ( AUT ) will seem to work and gain him inches.

There is no way performing weighted calf raises can compete in terms of generating elastic energy with the technique/forces T-DUB generates when planting/dunking. (Refer back to the quote in OP/watch vid) anyone sane would believe that being probably the best jumper/dunker in the whole word has to do with some ankle rotation.

Bam.

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perfect.

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 02:23:22 pm »
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sickenin, do u think people can just change their technique to jump like t-dub? ie, mimicking his runup speed/plant etc?

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 02:46:56 pm »
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is sickinvendetta being serious? i think he's just trolling.
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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2011, 02:56:03 pm »
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is sickinvendetta being serious? i think he's just trolling.

Ever since that NBA players training thread, I think he's enjoying trolling this forum
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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 04:25:11 pm »
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is sickinvendetta being serious? i think he's just trolling.

Ever since that NBA players training thread, I think he's enjoying trolling this forum

I actually think he's serious. And I kind of get where he aims at with his ideas, but he's not hitting the right stuff.

Twisting in a one-leg jump instead of coming up liniarily and jump definitely helps in my experience (if anything, the center of gravity gets a better trajectory and more muscles can be utilized/better leverage is obtained).
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 04:36:44 pm »
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what raptor said.

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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 10:03:12 pm »
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Trolling?.

I posted you the quote. Can't really make it any clearer.


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^ 'as the descending weight'.   T-DUBS bodyweight.
'twists in the bands on the way down'.   T-DUB planting/torquing.

'it enables the muscle to store high amounts of elastic energy'.




what's even more confusing, is the fact that i don't dunk head on, i rotate into my plant and my feet are usually pointed to the left of the rim/basket.

here's a pic from last dunk session:




adarqui, replicate how T-DUB is running/lining upto the basket. Then your on your way to producing masses amount of full-body elastic energy.

There is no great T-DUB coil or spiralling of the myosin filaments from that position your in within that pic.

See the guy with the red shorts in the pic?, he is facing in the same direction how T-DUB is setting up when he plants.

In that pic from your last dunk session, your feet/legs/torso have to be pointing to the right wall (the direction the guy in the red shorts is facing), IF your to replicate T-DUBS super dunk/action/elastic energy development.

Watch the vid, watch where T-DUBS left foot/legs/torso plant & look where the camera is at. He is completely face on (facing the right wall in your dunk picture). Overtime this coiling will generate huge amounts of elastic energy especially in the achilles tendons & throughout the entire body.






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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 10:04:48 pm »
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Twisting in a one-leg jump instead of coming up liniarily and jump definitely helps in my experience (if anything, the center of gravity gets a better trajectory and more muscles can be utilized/better leverage is obtained).

Watch the vid.

Two-legged jump.

The twisting torque/force (bodyweight) he produces (refer to quote) thousands of times (dunkin') through mainly his achilles tendons at plant is springing him that high.






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Re: T-DUBS biggest secret. Elastic winding & coiling.
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2011, 11:06:43 pm »
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See the feet slide in when he plants?. Left foot facing cam.

WOW!.





<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhx56uqsBjQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhx56uqsBjQ</a>







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