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Strength and athleticism
« on: August 11, 2013, 01:34:09 am »
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Being strong will inevitably make you heavier.  In a game like basketball, a lot depends on speed + elevation.  When you are heavier than others, you can pick and choose one or the other, you can't have both, which is why lebron james is such an amazing athlete.  I have realized that when I am running in at 100 mph, i can't get up at all, but if i do a jump stop, i can get some elevation.   So should i get real skinny and sacrifice strength?

Also, having flat foot or fallen arch, is that why it is hard for me to get reactive strength, like SLRVJ?
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 01:59:36 am »
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You don't need to sacrifice strength to 'get skinny' at your BF%. Just cut fat, get gains.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 03:35:29 am »
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The reason for all your problems is you're skinny fat. Get strong and cut the fat.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 11:26:16 am »
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Everyone has that problem when cutting, it's harder to sleep esp if hours pass since your last meal. Solution is to eat your dinner later close to bedtime and make it a big meal, with a decent amount of fibre, protein and carbs. fibre and protein for fullness, carbs because sleep quality improves. Also consider taking supplements which reduce appetite if you find yourself unable to sleep. I like vitamin c and taurine to kill appetite at a pinch when sleepless.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 12:45:03 pm »
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I don't get this cutting thing. I'd rather have a stable eating habit that sets my bodyweight at a certain level and then just work in and out with nutrition depending on what I'm doing rather than having traditional bulking and cutting phases.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 01:20:08 pm »
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First off don't cut straight to sub 2000kcal. Do it gradually over a few weeks. Cutting everything quick like that is counter productive as it puts your body in a 'survival' mode. Do a gradual cut and eat healthier and you'll gain strength AND drop fat. You just have to face it, you can't maximize your potential if you don't eat right.

Hell, I'd bet money that if you just ate cleaner and lifted you'd cut BF%.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 02:26:35 pm »
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Yeah cutting by over 500 kcal under your BMR is counter-productive.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 03:37:30 pm »
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Maybe you'll lose some fat and get in better shape then. I still think that you could continue gaining strength but your diet/recovery would need to be on point.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 10:50:23 pm »
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Quote from: ChrisM on August 11, 2013, 01:20:08 pm

Hell, I'd bet money that if you just ate cleaner and lifted you'd cut BF%.

My preferred and recommended approach. THe approach that got me to 10-11%bf consistently with a 6pack at 160lbs from 14-15% bf and struggling to see my abs at 140lbs over four years of college... I may have been a little lower bodyfat at 150lbs actually a couple years ago but haven't added much since.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 11:32:53 am »
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Quote from: fast does lie on August 11, 2013, 01:34:09 am
Being strong will inevitably make you heavier.

i saw this and thought, briefly, that i should make it my new sig. and then i was like, nah, the line i have in there now is way better.

but still, this is one of the weirdest sentences ever posted on this forum.
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2013, 12:40:09 pm »
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Would that mean that being heavy will inevitably make you stronger?
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All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2013, 12:57:00 pm »
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Quote from: Raptor on August 12, 2013, 12:40:09 pm
Would that mean that being heavy will inevitably make you stronger?

No. (If p then q) does not imply (if q then p).
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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2013, 02:42:31 pm »
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Quote from: Joe on August 12, 2013, 12:57:00 pm
Quote from: Raptor on August 12, 2013, 12:40:09 pm
Would that mean that being heavy will inevitably make you stronger?

No. (If p then q) does not imply (if q then p).

Fuck!

I was starting to feel good about my sister gaining weight.
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Strength and athleticism
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2013, 02:57:39 pm »
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Sooooo by our OPs wonderful logic....

Heavy=strong=fast..... heavy=fast!!!!

Stop eating clean guys we all need beer guts!!!!
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