@avishek:
I am not interested in an internet war. No comments about judging/amygdala etc.
RIght then don't judge the way I act. Not that I mind, but of course if it's incorrect i will reply. That's not starting a war, that's called an intelligent debate.
About my curves analysis , you saying that i pulled the 1RM 20% difference from my ass shows you don't even have a clue of what those curves show and how to read them. I stand to what i said , maths 101.
RIght the y axis is not labeled so I was asking you how you figured it was a 20% difference.
Measuring by simple ruler method, the 1RM for heavy resistance trained is 35/16'' and for explosive-ballistic trained 30/16''. This results in a ratio of 7/6, which means the 1RM for the heavy strength group is 16.666%higher.
About kingfish , he is a perfect example of how 1RM training improves RFD too, resulting superior jumping. You contradicted that by saying his VJ is 'longer in duration' and it doesn't provide us power information. That is a vastly retarded argument, VJ-training-wise. It points to me that you lack basic understanding of the vertical jump mechanics and physics.
We need to be more technical. KINGFISH is not an example of anything. KINGFISH'S athletic achievements, are. And the only one I've seen that is related to the force/time graph, is his vertical jump.
Yes, his RFD improves. But you need to be exact. His rate of force development IN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME, such as the time it takes him to perform a vertical jump, of course improves, thus, he jumps higher. Obvious. But what I argued, is that the time it takes Kingfish to perform a standing vertical jump, is much greater than 0.2s, therefore, his force/time curve looks more like heavy strength trained athlete (as time increases, force increases), but this is not to say he is weak at 0.2s. I'm just saying if he were to train ump squats, I think he could shift his curve to the left and become mroe explosive in movements where force application is no greater than 0.2 s, such as sprinting.
There is no doubt you want the whole curve to be very high. But it needs to be highest at the relevant time frame. Thus heavy lifting in the absence of faster liftings prevents that. Heavy lifting together with faster lifting, does help accomplish it, but more slowly than with no heavy lifts at all imo, because the different motor patterns compete.
Still , those should be used to make you express higher percentages of your limit strength ( 1RM ) in the short time window that a jump occurs. Training only RFD will make your limit strength decrease ( or not increase ).
Ever increasing 1RM while maintaining explosiveness and jumping ability/coordination is the only way to go.
Ok, well thank you for pulling another load of bs from your ass. You just reiterated by ENTIRE ARGUMENT. I proposed a 6 WEEK PHASE for ruso, which is not at all complicated. I didn't tell him to do only RFD work for the rest of his life. Furthermore, RFD work doesn't have to decrease 1RM either. We already know that heavy (80%+) and moderate resistance lifting (50-60%1RM) result in the same increases in strength. But if it does, it will be a temporary decrease resulting from neural changes.
Ever increasing 1RM while maintaining explosiveness and jumping ability/coordination is the only way to go.
THIS, is why we disagree. And this is defintiely not the only way to go imo. Infact it's bad. As I just mentioned, and as dreyth pointed out, decreases in 1RM from going on a RFD phase without heavy lifting can decrease 1RM neurally, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSCULAR STRENGTH. You can relearn that strength within a short time frame as long as you CUT OUT the faster lifts.
The benefits of dropping slow lifts, is to erase a slow motor pattern. Since this is not a problem for ruso, it doesn't matter anyway. But for an extremely slow strength trained jumper, every workout of slow heavy lifting reinforces a slow movement. Dropping these slow movements for a few weeks, shaves off a reinforced motor pattern, and allows an athlete to express his or herself in a faster time frame. THis is why I think it's beneficial to go just 2-4 weeks without any of it.
