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i think one of the main issues with SVJ is, on these forums, most people simply don't care about it.. it's a skill just like anything else.. sure it'll go up a little as your RVJ goes up considerably, but without directly training it, you can't ever expect to make huge gains in that movement.. most people on here/TVS are "basketball natured", so jumping from a dead start doesn't excite them or make any sense for the world of dunking.. on the other hand, people who do focus on svj, such as vag/tychver/steven-miller/arowe/... etc, do make considerable gains in it.

I personally hate SVJ'n, so even though it's gone up a bit, it's not something I care about.. For example, 3 years ago I measured my highest SVJ on vertec of 124" when my running touch was only 128", I was SVJ'n every workout.. Once I got bored with SVJ, it went down to 120-121" while my RVJ kept increasing to vertec 132.5" touch.

I think you'll find people more interested in SVJ on "strength & bodybuilding forums". One of the reasons, I noticed, is that alot of those people always want to be "better at something" than people who are crazy athletic. For example, if you say lebron james has 44" RVJ, they'll say, "but what is his SVJ".. If you tell them lebron half squats 2.5xBW, they will laugh and say, "but what does he deep squat".. If you tell them an elite athlete's bodyweight is 160 lb, they will laugh and tell them to gomad, etc.. that's not everyone, but it's a large percentage from what i see.. "ATG" squatting, SVJ, GOMAD, & excessive bodyweight become some kind of cult ego booster to alot of those people. I respect people whatever their goals are, doesn't infringe on my training one bit so why would I care.. Rippetoe on the other hand seems to be pretty inflammatory, he allows some really weak replies through & somehow thinks they are funny, that's always a bad sign.. If someone is sticking up for me and acting like a complete a$$ in the process, i'd tell them to relax... lmao..

pc

  
  To be fair to Rippetoe, he couldve closed that thread much earlier once he realized he wasnt up against the normal "trolls" hes used to, and it did seem that he started to open his mind a little bit, and take everything in towards the end.  He blatantly changed his original position about halfway through, and to me thats at least a sign he was actually reading the information and not discounting everything he wasnt familiar with.

  When Steven asked him about his experiment, he said "keep in mind that anything will work for 6 weeks", and when talking about improving an already great svj, thats just complete horseshit.  In fact, MOST things wont work, you have to really be on the ball to get improvements at that point.  

  The thread was actually beneficial to some people, even though a lot of the flame battles clog up a good thread, and thats not just their fault admittedly.  I honestly think that as much detail as he pays to things like anthropometry, etc., if it was actually his JOB to improve athletic performance, he would have different views on other training tools.  But most of what he does is not related to speed/jumping, so his point of view is understandable.

I wonder what's Kelly's point of view on the matter. After all, he's the one who kind of trains people for increasing the SVJ, since that will mean also an increase in the RVJ. For him personally, I think he went from ~20 inches to 35+ just by pretty much increasing his strength.

As for me, I think, just as for everybody else, the SVJ increases as the squat increases. Probably just as simple as that. But I'm a better SVJ jumper than the regular Joe, it kind of comes naturally to me.

Kelly says 23 to 42. Take noob gains into consideration and it was probably a legit 30 to 42.

Rippetoe can't tell the difference between 18% bodyfat and 35%. His opinion on anything besides getting stronger is invalid.

i think one of the main issues with SVJ is, on these forums, most people simply don't care about it.. it's a skill just like anything else.. sure it'll go up a little as your RVJ goes up considerably, but without directly training it, you can't ever expect to make huge gains in that movement.. most people on here/TVS are "basketball natured", so jumping from a dead start doesn't excite them or make any sense for the world of dunking.. on the other hand, people who do focus on svj, such as vag/tychver/steven-miller/arowe/... etc, do make considerable gains in it.

I personally hate SVJ'n, so even though it's gone up a bit, it's not something I care about.. For example, 3 years ago I measured my highest SVJ on vertec of 124" when my running touch was only 128", I was SVJ'n every workout.. Once I got bored with SVJ, it went down to 120-121" while my RVJ kept increasing to vertec 132.5" touch.

I think you'll find people more interested in SVJ on "strength & bodybuilding forums". One of the reasons, I noticed, is that alot of those people always want to be "better at something" than people who are crazy athletic. For example, if you say lebron james has 44" RVJ, they'll say, "but what is his SVJ".. If you tell them lebron half squats 2.5xBW, they will laugh and say, "but what does he deep squat".. If you tell them an elite athlete's bodyweight is 160 lb, they will laugh and tell them to gomad, etc.. that's not everyone, but it's a large percentage from what i see.. "ATG" squatting, SVJ, GOMAD, & excessive bodyweight become some kind of cult ego booster to alot of those people. I respect people whatever their goals are, doesn't infringe on my training one bit so why would I care.. Rippetoe on the other hand seems to be pretty inflammatory, he allows some really weak replies through & somehow thinks they are funny, that's always a bad sign.. If someone is sticking up for me and acting like a complete a$$ in the process, i'd tell them to relax... lmao..

pc

Excuse my lack of knowledge, but I don't understand how you're RVJ could have kept increasing, while your SVJ decreased?  How do you "focus on improving SVJ"?  Is it just a matter of getting in max effort SVJ sessions?

I always thought both SVJ and RVJ would go up simultaneously unless you're strictly doing reactive work only.

Quote from: steven-miller on June 09, 2011, 07:17:58 pm

JC, in which areas does your opinion have validity?

Which opinion? My views on training have no affect on Rippetoe's views about bodyfat percentage.

brb not being able to criticize obama because I'm not a president

I did not imply that you should not criticize Rip. I asked in which field your views have validity?

Quote from: steven-miller on June 10, 2011, 04:43:00 am

Quote from: JC on June 09, 2011, 09:01:17 pm

Quote from: steven-miller on June 09, 2011, 07:17:58 pm

JC, in which areas does your opinion have validity?

Which opinion? My views on training have no affect on Rippetoe's views about bodyfat percentage.

brb not being able to criticize obama because I'm not a president

I did not imply that you should not criticize Rip. I asked in which field your views have validity?

What views? I didn't give an opinion in this thread.

JC, are you trolling me or are you actually incapable of understanding such a simple question? I shall paraphrase it again for you:

I want to know in which areas (or fields, or disciplines, etc.) your opinion, regardless if it was voiced anywhere or not, has validity. In other words, where do you have the necessary expertise to voice a valid opinion? On which topics, in which areas of knowledge, etc.

ummm

Jumping: Increased my own jump a pretty decent amount
Aesthetics Training: I think I've had a decent transformation
Basketball: Played it all my life
Girls: Been able to get them all my life without much effort
Supplements: Done a decent amount of research
Steroids: Done a decent amount of research
VJ: Followed her career since zoey 101
Bodybuilding ("sport"): I know a lot of the top bodybuilders
Bodybuilding (training): Done a decent amount of research, have 2 brothers who are big by most standards
Scammers: Seen so many of them and they all have the same traits.
Drugs: Don't know much about them, but have experimented.
New Jersey: Lived there most of my life
Florida: Lived there for a little bit of my life
Rap Music: Been listening to it for my entire life
Seeing what any of this has to do with this topic: I suck at this
Being Good Looking: Being Good Looking
Winning Internet Debates: Check around this forum
Realizing Mark Rippetoe is an idiot: Seeing his claim of putting 25 pounds of muscle on a kid in 1 month, claimed he was 18% bodyfat when he was around 35%.
Realizing Everyone on Rippetoe's forum is a nuthugger: Looking at the amount of posts Steven-Miller has on there


Is that sufficient for you?

And yes I think SS is a good program and I think rippetoe is a good powerlifting coach

JC, i like you