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Which of your lifts are the heaviest among the 3?

Squat
3 (17.6%)
Deadlift
13 (76.5%)
RDL
1 (5.9%)

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2012, 09:11:33 am »
+1
A regular deadlift is easier than a RDL because you also get quad power in a regular deadlift, whereas in the RDL you don't. Even though the RDL has a shorter ROM and also has a eccentric period of amortization (that should potentiate you a bit). At least that's how I feel.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2012, 01:52:42 am »
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^LOL
Also im not sure what i said is correct, re arms/legs/toro lengths.
I remember Lance saying that long legs and short torso harm the squat form , create forward lean etc , making it harder in other words. But for deadlift it was just a chat in here , about mutumbo's huge deadlift.
As for RDL/DL , i was the only one that voted RDL and i am changing it too. I did 1x286 after not regular DLing for 3 years and with my left quad injured, while the 8x253 RDL PR was achieved after a couple of months of weekly progressive overloading.

Edit:
My explanation about hands/torso lengths:
In regular deadlifts, for a given back position , the longer hands and shorter torso you have, the higher 'squat position' your legs will be in the deadlift start, it's like turning the DL to 'half' DL ( in an analogy with squats/half squats ). It is the same ROM but the starting body setup is more advantageous to produce strength.
For RDLs, longer hands reduce the ROM since the end of the movement is standard ( below knee ) while the starting point is lower with long hands.
Nothing to back those thoughts up though, just pulling them out of my hairy ass! :D
yeah makes sense, but how about leg length? i'm guessing long legs dont help u in deadlifts or squats yeah?


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A regular deadlift is easier than a RDL because you also get quad power in a regular deadlift, whereas in the RDL you don't. Even though the RDL has a shorter ROM and also has a eccentric period of amortization (that should potentiate you a bit). At least that's how I feel.

gosh that weird. i have problem with deadlifts. it's easier when i push my hips up first making it more like a RDL, or i cant lift the weight.

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2012, 10:49:42 am »
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RDL is not about how straight you keep your legs. it's about starting at the top of the movement and only going through part of the range of motion of a full dead lift.

i haven't dead lifted in ages but i did a single while goofing around a little while ago, so:

full squat PR: 350
dead lift PR: 360
RDL: never done them
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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2012, 05:52:20 pm »
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gosh that weird. i have problem with deadlifts. it's easier when i push my hips up first making it more like a RDL, or i cant lift the weight.

This is how a technically very good deadlift looks like. I bet yours is very different. Figure it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=44OAhh9n7l4#t=214s

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2012, 07:40:50 pm »
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gosh that weird. i have problem with deadlifts. it's easier when i push my hips up first making it more like a RDL, or i cant lift the weight.

This is how a technically very good deadlift looks like. I bet yours is very different. Figure it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=44OAhh9n7l4#t=214s

I cannot believe my eyes. That form was insanely good for a max attempt...
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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2012, 03:56:31 am »
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It was? I thought that was kinda bad, probably not a max attempt either.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2012, 09:54:36 am »
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It was? I thought that was kinda bad, probably not a max attempt either.

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2012, 10:02:06 am »
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It was? I thought that was kinda bad, probably not a max attempt either.

lol

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2012, 12:47:29 pm »
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DL 550
Squat 424

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2012, 11:27:32 am »
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DL 550
Squat 424

Whoa.  You were beyond those a month or 2 ago, even without the suit (I think)....what happened?

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2012, 02:23:31 am »
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DL 550
Squat 424

Whoa.  You were beyond those a month or 2 ago, even without the suit (I think)....what happened?

Nah man. These are my raw PRs. Had 484 squat with knee wraps and belt and 605 DL in suit.

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2012, 05:32:21 am »
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DL 550
Squat 424

Whoa.  You were beyond those a month or 2 ago, even without the suit (I think)....what happened?

Nah man. These are my raw PRs. Had 484 squat with knee wraps and belt and 605 DL in suit.

Yeah but where's your abz at bro?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2012, 12:56:03 pm »
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DL 550
Squat 424

Whoa.  You were beyond those a month or 2 ago, even without the suit (I think)....what happened?

Nah man. These are my raw PRs. Had 484 squat with knee wraps and belt and 605 DL in suit.

Yeah but where's your abz at bro?

They're hidden  :D

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2012, 01:18:06 pm »
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DL 550
Squat 424

Wow. I'm almost identical.  545, 415.

Seems like no matter whether I focus on squat, front squat, bandsquats or deadlift.... my deadlift is about 70 pounds over parallel squat, which is 70 pounds over my squat, which is about 70 pounds over my front squat, which is about 70 pounds over my bench and powerclean.   I'm literally +/- 10 pounds from 550/480/410/340/270.  And I had really similar ratios even when squatting 315... 

Haven't tried just benching though to see if that brings everything else up....

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Re: Squat/Deadlift/RDL
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2012, 02:04:19 pm »
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DL 550
Squat 424

Wow. I'm almost identical.  545, 415.

Seems like no matter whether I focus on squat, front squat, bandsquats or deadlift.... my deadlift is about 70 pounds over parallel squat, which is 70 pounds over my squat, which is about 70 pounds over my front squat, which is about 70 pounds over my bench and powerclean.   I'm literally +/- 10 pounds from 550/480/410/340/270.  And I had really similar ratios even when squatting 315... 

Haven't tried just benching though to see if that brings everything else up....

Probably has to do with your leverages. Nice numbers btw.