Author Topic: Posterior Chain Strength Preparation for the Vertical Jump by Charles Poliquin?.  (Read 34279 times)

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lmao i have zero hamstrings and all quads/glutes and its due to squatting and not deadlifting, and my svj and rvj (both 1 foot and 2 feet) have massively improved since I dropped deadlifting.

x2, i don't even think i have hamstrings..

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does this mean that I am wasting my time doing deadlifts and romanian deadlifts to try and increase my vertical jump?

nope.. getting every muscle group generally strong is beneficial.

deadlifting has carry over to squat, it will hit your glutes, hams, and erectors very hard, also it gives you nice traps.. rdl's are good assistance for general hamstring strength.

hamstring strength is important for protecting the knee during extension, also they are very important in sprinting.

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word.

I'm also trying to work up to being able to do the natural glute ham raise after seeing the video you posted on the motivational thread, you managed to do it yet adarq?
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word.

I'm also trying to work up to being able to do the natural glute ham raise after seeing the video you posted on the motivational thread,

nice :) how much progress have you made?


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you managed to do it yet adarq?

nope I got lazy with pmghr's.. I suck at them & it hits my hamstring tendons a bit too hard, so I just hit 45 degree hyper hard, now that I have access to one..




for anyone else that is wondering what he's talking about:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsXpTzXT-Uo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsXpTzXT-Uo</a>

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I haven't had too much of an oppurtunity to try them.

the best way I have to do them is on a lat pulldown machine using the seat backwards and upsidedown to the normal way of using it  8)

from a dead start I don't get very far but with a tiny push from my arms I can do them. definitely makes them a lot easier but I figure this is bound to help progress the dead start ones.
you can bet that I'll video it when I do it  ;D

I really do feel it in my hamstrings after I've done it, pretty hardcore exercise and one that I've never seen anyone do in any gym i've been to.
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11. some sort of explosive arm swing exercise, could be hip dominant or not, ie plate swings, db swings, hang snatch, etc.


Would doing explosive dumbbell swings upwards consistently for a few weeks actually give a significant increase in vertical (1-2 inches)?
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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11. some sort of explosive arm swing exercise, could be hip dominant or not, ie plate swings, db swings, hang snatch, etc.


Would doing explosive dumbbell swings upwards consistently for a few weeks actually give a significant increase in vertical (1-2 inches)?

i'd have hands locked, ie, two hands on one dumbell or using a plate to swing.. if you don't have very powerful shoulders already, then yes it can help and give a few inches, who is to say how long though.. but arm swing is a very important part of any type of jumping, so by really getting those shoulders powerful, itll definitely have some carry over.. doing things like plate swings, double arm db swings, and snatches can all be very beneficial, though snatch variations are much more hip driven, that's why something like a plate swing can provide even more benefit for arm swing "from the bottom"..

really keeps those arms locked out and try to derive most of the power from the shoulders, i need to vid one day how i do it, i sit into it, arms locked grabbing the plate, and really try to swing up using ONLY shoulder power, but of course I use a little bit of hip also.

i would avoid db swings with one in each hand though, can get a little risky for the shoulders.

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11. some sort of explosive arm swing exercise, could be hip dominant or not, ie plate swings, db swings, hang snatch, etc.


Would doing explosive dumbbell swings upwards consistently for a few weeks actually give a significant increase in vertical (1-2 inches)?

i'd have hands locked, ie, two hands on one dumbell or using a plate to swing.. if you don't have very powerful shoulders already, then yes it can help and give a few inches, who is to say how long though.. but arm swing is a very important part of any type of jumping, so by really getting those shoulders powerful, itll definitely have some carry over.. doing things like plate swings, double arm db swings, and snatches can all be very beneficial, though snatch variations are much more hip driven, that's why something like a plate swing can provide even more benefit for arm swing "from the bottom"..

really keeps those arms locked out and try to derive most of the power from the shoulders, i need to vid one day how i do it, i sit into it, arms locked grabbing the plate, and really try to swing up using ONLY shoulder power, but of course I use a little bit of hip also.

i would avoid db swings with one in each hand though, can get a little risky for the shoulders.

peace

When doing these dumbbell swings with 2 hands, am I supposed to use heavy dumbbells to the point where I end up kinda lifting it pretty slow, or am I supposed to get the heaviest that I can still swing upwards explosively and fast?
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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I would have thought that you should use the heaviest weight you can that you can still be explosive with and progress from there.
perhaps try heavier weights in exercises which aren't as risky such as military press to get your shoulders stronger.

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I would have thought that you should use the heaviest weight you can that you can still be explosive with and progress from there.
perhaps try heavier weights in exercises which aren't as risky such as military press to get your shoulders stronger.



ya exactly.. if you're lifting so heavy that it becomes slow, no way you'll be able to "stiff arm it", it'll become some kind of press.

but yup you got it right on every statement in there ^^

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I would have thought that you should use the heaviest weight you can that you can still be explosive with and progress from there.
perhaps try heavier weights in exercises which aren't as risky such as military press to get your shoulders stronger.



ya exactly.. if you're lifting so heavy that it becomes slow, no way you'll be able to "stiff arm it", it'll become some kind of press.

but yup you got it right on every statement in there ^^

peace

Okay so, I've never tried this workout before.  I looked around online and I guess it works out your hams, glutes, hips, low back, and shoulders?  If I wanna directly target shoulders for powerful upperbody swings when doing VJ's, should I reduce hip extension and just emphasize more of the swing with primarily my shoulders?  If I do this will my low back still get worked?

Cause I wanna use this workout as a shoulder workout (primarily to carryover to a VJ) AND to strengthen my lower back as well, but not really hips, glutes, hams.
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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arent dumbbell swings more of a hip movement rather than a shoulder movement?

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Yes they are, at least those done correctly.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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arent dumbbell swings more of a hip movement rather than a shoulder movement?

I perform mine a little like these.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY1S7ndk1wM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY1S7ndk1wM</a>


The only difference is, I don't go as heavy & my knees remain locked.

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arent dumbbell swings more of a hip movement rather than a shoulder movement?

I perform mine a little like these.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY1S7ndk1wM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY1S7ndk1wM</a>


The only difference is, I don't go as heavy & my knees remain locked.

So you do it with a primary shoulder target?  Does that still target your coree?
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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So you do it with a primary shoulder target?  Does that still target your coree?

I'm a mainly a sprinter not a jumper, so I do them lighter/explosively as possible mainly for my deltoids, no bouncing about.

They will definitely target your core though. Before your legs/arms contract, your inner core contracts first.

If you go heavy, try performing them by exhaling everything out your lungs contracting everything in your core, then stick your tongue to the roof of your mouth, then perform them with your knees locked, holding your breath the whole time, it will ravage your core. It's pretty extreme.










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