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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2011, 10:28:12 pm »
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to the original poster. Basketball doesnt really have a weight lifting environment. With football every body wonders your bench, squat, and power clean. With basketball if you can bump it in the post/jump really high/dunk/look jacked/quick/explosive/etc. than no one really worries about the weight room. Yes some people can do this without really training too much for it.

for example: this kid at a park i play ball at can: dunk all kinds of ways at 5'8, is jacked and is quick as hell. ALL WITHOUT TRAINING.

for someone like me, I have to train for that.

Also with basketball you have to remember the hours needed for practice and playing trying to gain experience. ITs not like football where you don't practice as much. If you have the option of improving your athleticism or basketball iq/skills and both are decent at the nba level, I would always go for the skill and bball iq.

No one mentions it but ANDRE FUCKING MILLER. He is not an athlete but he is a BASKETBALL player.

That's what I thought until I saw this a while back.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8</a>
what im saying is that he is not overly athletic or explosive. think of it this way, his skills/bball iq are GREATER than his athleticism and his playing career is longer than iverson a more athletic player

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #76 on: July 27, 2011, 01:12:29 am »
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I can assure you your hip flexors will get far more explosive on a bike (dedicating to it) than doing squats. It hits those hard. Try wearing ankle weights on a stationary bike and revving it fast for 10-20mins & use 1kg/2.5kg plates with your arm swings (20sec repeats). No way are you gonna be the slowest guy on court.

Try it.

Explosive hip flexors/explosive arm action & you will be blazin' to your first 5-10m. Gotta keep dedicated though.

For an elite bball player that can already run, ball & dunk who puts 100lbs on his squat in the off-season won't be coming back the new Kobe, lol.







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« Reply #77 on: July 27, 2011, 01:24:12 am »
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sickenin, I noticed you have no log around here.... out of curiosity, what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #78 on: July 27, 2011, 01:32:50 am »
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sickenin, I noticed you have no log around here.... out of curiosity, what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?

Nah, I don't have a log. I'm a sprinter man.

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #79 on: July 27, 2011, 01:37:22 am »
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pictured above, pulling the pedal stroke back?

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #80 on: July 27, 2011, 01:42:57 am »
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sickenin, I noticed you have no log around here.... out of curiosity, what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?


do I really have to do this every time?

what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?



what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?



what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?



what are your stats, and what is your training regimen?



















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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2011, 04:43:27 am »
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If there's anything that catched my eye, it's Lance talking about a fleshlight some posts back. Can we please get back to that?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #82 on: July 27, 2011, 07:15:07 am »
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How anyone failed to see Sickenin was trollin after his ~3rd reply is beyond me.
Got it to 8 pages tho? Good job, bruh.

I think the original post is quite interesting, these trainers obv know training in cycles of strength/power while maintaining balance would be a better option then just the functional stuff they're doing right now, I also think Andrew was right on the money in his first reply, so was Lance.

I absolutely do think safety and the $ are involved to a certain degree, which is a shame, 'cause proper training could further enhance the game and reduce injuries. However you'd think these trainers could teach a squat properly and know it's advantages so their reasoning would still be weird to me. These trainers get paid thousands of dollars and are (supposedly) highly educated, it just doesn't make any sense to not add serious strength and power to your athlete just because of safety, there has to be more to it.

One reason, I think, is not just safety, but also optimum basketball performance and longevity.
We have to keep in mind these guys routinely play 30-40 game minutes of extremely intense basketball for about 80/120 times a year. Highlighting game minutes, because I know the difference between an all out 3 hour practise session and 20 minutes of playing time all too well (ie. game time being more stressfull on the body; I'm absolutely dead after a game and can train twice a day for hours at a time easily, trainig-intensity obv varies, game-time not so much).

Keeping these guys light would make it easy on the joints and might help in the long run, furthermore, keeping them highly conditioned (not necesarily ox strong) iwhile keeping them effective is a top priority. Extra muscle, extra power might (again, MIGHT) wear on an athlete throughout the season. Implementing highly intense weight sessions after that season is over and before they go right into training-camp might seem like an overkill to the joints.
I'm not saying this reasoning is right for every situation, but I could understand it under some circumstances.

I also think it's a shame and it's probably also the reason we don't see huge transformations in player. For instance, I don't think Kevin Durant will pack muscle before the age of 29/30, the age he's likely to lose a step and is going to need another advantage.
What's amazing though, when that kind of need is there, with hungry athletes, you suddenly see a huge change (Think of the extra muscle Jordan was carrying after his return, think Kobe kobe packing 30 lbs over a single summer, losing it all the season after because of his knees).
The knowledge and capacity to change athletes is there, the need however, is not.

Can't say I agree, but I think I do understand.

PS, saw some comments on basketball and athleticism earlier.
In high level basketball, athleticism should not be underrated, pretty sure John stockton was a beast athlete, dude could defend guys twice his size, that's not just basketball IQ.
Only guy I could think of right now that wasn't a certified athlete that played in the NBA is Steve Kerr (6'3/175?) but he's one of the greatest shooters EVER. Height/weight is definately a HUGE aspect of being athletic. Just because a guy is kinda fat/slow, dude can still be effective athletically because of his height and mass.
Being able to utilize your specific athleticism creates a huge advantage over someone that does not poses the same kind of ability.

Long post n all over the place, not sure if I'm right, it's all speculation.
Hope it does push this discussion into the right direction though.
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #83 on: July 27, 2011, 08:28:21 am »
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to the original poster. Basketball doesnt really have a weight lifting environment. With football every body wonders your bench, squat, and power clean. With basketball if you can bump it in the post/jump really high/dunk/look jacked/quick/explosive/etc. than no one really worries about the weight room. Yes some people can do this without really training too much for it.

for example: this kid at a park i play ball at can: dunk all kinds of ways at 5'8, is jacked and is quick as hell. ALL WITHOUT TRAINING.

for someone like me, I have to train for that.

Also with basketball you have to remember the hours needed for practice and playing trying to gain experience. ITs not like football where you don't practice as much. If you have the option of improving your athleticism or basketball iq/skills and both are decent at the nba level, I would always go for the skill and bball iq.

No one mentions it but ANDRE FUCKING MILLER. He is not an athlete but he is a BASKETBALL player.



Jesus Christ, are you telling me anything I don't know or haven't said myself?
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #84 on: July 27, 2011, 08:32:10 am »
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to the original poster. Basketball doesnt really have a weight lifting environment. With football every body wonders your bench, squat, and power clean. With basketball if you can bump it in the post/jump really high/dunk/look jacked/quick/explosive/etc. than no one really worries about the weight room. Yes some people can do this without really training too much for it.

for example: this kid at a park i play ball at can: dunk all kinds of ways at 5'8, is jacked and is quick as hell. ALL WITHOUT TRAINING.

for someone like me, I have to train for that.

Also with basketball you have to remember the hours needed for practice and playing trying to gain experience. ITs not like football where you don't practice as much. If you have the option of improving your athleticism or basketball iq/skills and both are decent at the nba level, I would always go for the skill and bball iq.

No one mentions it but ANDRE FUCKING MILLER. He is not an athlete but he is a BASKETBALL player.

That's what I thought until I saw this a while back.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSJam5VgH8</a>
what im saying is that he is not overly athletic or explosive. think of it this way, his skills/bball iq are GREATER than his athleticism and his playing career is longer than iverson a more athletic player

WTF, Andre Miller came in the NBA 11 years ago.  Iverson came in 15 years ago.  How does that mean Miller's playing career is longer.  Iverson has had unarguably a WAY BETTER CAREER.  Iverson would still be in the league if it wasn't for his ego.  Not his reliance on athleticism.  His skills nd bball iq > Andre anyways so it doesn't even matter.

People think athletic players are low bball iq, and slow and steady players high bball iq.  If you have Derrick Rose athleticism, it's SMARTTTTT to explode all over the freakin court.  If your Iverson quick, it's SMART to take advantage of it all the time.  Doesn't mean their bball IQ/skills are not up to par.

Your bringing up a point everyone here including me has already confirmed, we agree skills > athleticism in basketball.  BUT that is hardly the topic being discussed.  Way to not contribute to the discussion at hand.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2011, 08:43:33 am by Ineedtodunk »
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #85 on: July 27, 2011, 08:32:54 am »
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How anyone failed to see Sickenin was trollin after his ~3rd reply is beyond me.
Got it to 8 pages tho? Good job, bruh.

Great comments Jard.

That is what I was meant to say from ~3rd reply.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #86 on: July 27, 2011, 08:38:57 am »
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So... Waffle racers better for developing feet than Vibrams, why?  :)
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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2011, 03:47:24 am »
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If Louie put 1000lbs on a average player's squat in the off-season, they ain't coming back no Kobe.

Well no, they wouldn't, because it takes skill to be Kobe. It depends on what you're talking about: athleticism or basketball skill. Different things, although related.

Also, regardless of how strong you make a guy, he's still going to have the same structure, limb lenghts, tendons, so on and so forth, but strength is an alterable quality and helps with athleticism.

So you have to bear that in mind.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2011, 06:58:51 am »
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Loses argument.

Which argument?.


All I was saying was that having guys like Louie Simmons, Usian Bolt or the top conditioners on the planet on board in your coaching staff doesn't necessarily mean your going to start winning championships.

If Louie put 1000lbs on a average player's squat in the off-season, they ain't coming back no Kobe.


However you'd think these trainers could teach a squat properly and know it's advantages so their reasoning would still be weird to me.

Cos most of them are already genetically gifted (for there position) with either height/spring/mass/strength/speed or a combo they already have in there arsenals to play the game.




That is STILL not the point being made in this thread.  Post anywhere you want, but please just stop posting in here, you have somehow been counter-arguing my main points with completely UN-RELATED stuff for 9 PAGES NOW jeezus...

Funny thing is, everyone reading this thread seems to know what kind of discussion I'm trying to bring up, and what points I'm trying to make, EXCEPT YOU, ONLY YOU... It is not a difficult thing to understand.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 07:01:02 am by Ineedtodunk »
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: NBA Players Training
« Reply #89 on: July 29, 2011, 07:12:43 pm »
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Damn...I mean, seriously....just wow.   :-\
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