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Re: my jump training
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2013, 12:06:37 pm »
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Dunk practice also helps rvj and the coordination with a ball. I usually just start at the three point line and drive to the basket trying to explode up and dunk. Really concentrating exploding from my LR plant. Oddly enough I get the most explosion out of a crossover starting my drive, instead of driving straight to the basket. Helps get me lower I think. How are your rvj dunks compared to your standing dunks? Easier?

i was about to reply with the same thing. most fun way to improve RVJ - RVJ dunking.

vid back in the days when i thought RVJ was cool.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9C7eiLlVX0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9C7eiLlVX0</a>
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reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

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Re: my jump training
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 12:15:50 pm »
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Thanks guys, it makes sense. Although for whatever reason I would like to increase my RVJ without actually going through the trouble of practicing RVJ dunks. The reason is I don't have ready access to a gym and I only drive out once a week which is a bit of a mission to do more frequently. I made my SVJ go up by doing approx 5jumps a week, so I was hoping to find some way to get my RVJ moving the same way.

pelham, re my rvj dunks - not great im afraid. I can't dunk at all on an fast break, it just doesn't happen, i guess im moving too fast to dip down into the jump?

like in KFs video, i can do the three step dunk pretty well. But if I come into the jump with speed i wont be able to finish the dunk.
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 01:06:10 pm »
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Thanks guys, it makes sense. Although for whatever reason I would like to increase my RVJ without actually going through the trouble of practicing RVJ dunks. The reason is I don't have ready access to a gym and I only drive out once a week which is a bit of a mission to do more frequently. I made my SVJ go up by doing approx 5jumps a week, so I was hoping to find some way to get my RVJ moving the same way.

pelham, re my rvj dunks - not great im afraid. I can't dunk at all on an fast break, it just doesn't happen, i guess im moving too fast to dip down into the jump?

like in KFs video, i can do the three step dunk pretty well. But if I come into the jump with speed i wont be able to finish the dunk.

That's what I meant, start practicing 3 step run up dunks and focus on runup and jump stop speed transferring to a powerful jump and thus an amare stoudemire'esque dunk..
Once a week is fine imo, just to practice dunks then the rest of the time incorporate those plyos.

I posted a vid here a while back in the pics and vids section, and you can see my runup looks so slow as well, even when I think I'm going fast the camera shows otherwise, so I have the same problem as well, as far as runup speed. I feel I need to just practice driving fast with the ball and trying to dunk it like I'm Russel Westbrook or something... This and getting stronger combined with adrenalized situations should promote improvement
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 01:32:33 pm »
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You might also try to make mixed ME jump sessions. Mine went like:

1)dynamic warmup

2)submax jumps sequence:
3 low effort full runup jumps , 3 mid effort dropstep jumps , 3 just below max effort 1 or 2 step jumps. Continuous, 30 to 45 seconds between jumps.

3) ME jumps, 3-5 mins rest between sets:
4xSVJs.
3-4 x dropsteps.
3-4 x full runup jumps.
After that ( ~10 ME jumps ), i would sometimes do another set of full runup jumps if i was chasing a PR.

4) dunks, 3-5 mins rest between sets:
Sets of 4 dunk attempts until either total 30 jumps or performance dropoff.

Was a nice sequence and you get to train a little bit of all jumping patterns, worked great for me.

Just my 0.2 euros!  ;D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2013, 04:18:20 pm »
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You might also try to make mixed ME jump sessions. Mine went like:

1)dynamic warmup

2)submax jumps sequence:
3 low effort full runup jumps , 3 mid effort dropstep jumps , 3 just below max effort 1 or 2 step jumps. Continuous, 30 to 45 seconds between jumps.

3) ME jumps, 3-5 mins rest between sets:
4xSVJs.
3-4 x dropsteps.
3-4 x full runup jumps.
After that ( ~10 ME jumps ), i would sometimes do another set of full runup jumps if i was chasing a PR.

4) dunks, 3-5 mins rest between sets:
Sets of 4 dunk attempts until either total 30 jumps or performance dropoff.

Was a nice sequence and you get to train a little bit of all jumping patterns, worked great for me.

Just my 0.2 euros!  ;D

That's actually pretty good, even though this was recommended to Entropy,  I will definitely use this sometime !!!
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2013, 03:16:45 pm »
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So I've been doing the drop jumps and lots of dunk practice. So far so good. Today  I noticed I could do for the first time,  one leg squats. I didn't go deep but in the past I couldn't do them at all. Has the rvj training you guys have me doing been responsible?
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2013, 03:26:25 pm »
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^ I would guess it has much more to do with your huge front squat strength gains, as the mechanics of the pistol squat are very similar to those of the front squat.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: my jump training
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2013, 03:38:45 pm »
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I'm not so sure the bilateral front squat is responsible but perhaps its contributed as well. Funny how I haven't trained for one leg squats at all and I can suddenly do them kinda. Btw when should I use a higher box?
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2013, 03:50:01 pm »
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That front squat / pistol squat resemblance is not my theory, i remember kellyb saying it.  But think squat strength in general, both are squat movements. FWIW , i was unable to do a full pistol too and suddenly i was doing 10 pistols, from doing BACK squats only. Suddenly = 1 year of squatting and going from 5*40kg to 5*110kg. A squat motion is a squat motion, being able to front (or back) squat 120kg ( ~195kg with your bodyweight, ~100kg on each leg ) is self explanatory on why you can single leg squat your bodyweight ( ~75kg on each leg ).

As for depth drops/jumps box height ( and other useful info ) : http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/shockmethods.html
« Last Edit: March 13, 2013, 03:54:19 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: my jump training
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2013, 04:05:00 pm »
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Yup, and it probably has to do with improved mobility and flexibility due to front squatting as well, and being able to keep a vertical torso while lowering.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: my jump training
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2013, 04:39:59 am »
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It turned out the reason I wasn't able to jump as high from a runup (eg fast break) is because I invariable end up trying to jump off one leg and i'm currently a poor one leg jumper. I used to be a one leg jumper ages before but these days its all double leg. If I consciously think double leg take off, i can get myself into position to jump decently even running.

I have a new question. More than jumping, i have an interest in being able to move quicker, especially from stationary. How do you train that acceleration and explosive movement?
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2013, 07:19:25 am »
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It's probably a matter of good posture + good posterior chain strength.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: my jump training
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2013, 07:56:46 am »
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It's probably a matter of good posture + good posterior chain strength.

Posture? Explain please.

Short of clicking my fingers, wishing for and having a 500# deadlift without training for it, what specifically can I do about posterior chain?
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Re: my jump training
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2013, 08:55:57 am »
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I'm not available for that debate. Thanks but I don't want another "I don't care about doing gay-ass half deadlifts" and stuff like that. You can figure it out on yourself.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: my jump training
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2013, 03:27:21 am »
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lol, fair enough. Your half deadlifts suck tho, for the record I gave them a nice long chance and got 0 in return :(
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