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Well yeah but after I bumped my weight up intentionally to ~87 kg (in order to increase my squat) I'm jumping lower now, even at a higher squat to bodyweight ratio (had 160 kg low bar squat at ~85 or so in the past).

And I'm not talking about the one leg jump specifically but two leg jumps as well.

I guess being thisha heavy doesn't help jumping at all, even if you increase your squat. But then if I were NOT to try to gain weight AND strength then I'd be "spinning my wheels". Right.

or you can slowly add jump reps while you WAIT for the squat fatigue to fade.

you did low bar.. you're on your own there.

that 2nd vid lance posted has a lot of knee folding for a LBBS. thought it was the full squat first. don't assume he got to 40+SVJ from LBBS. those US bobsledders do a lot of FS too.

  I wasnt saying you are not training, my original point was you keep changing the focus, when your goals indicate a much more simple approach.  You could literally do two or three exercises for you lower body, but push the living FUCK out of those few, and do something like bounds and dunks, with a good diet and youd have a whole program that would get you on a linear path upwards rather than this circular one.

^that was what I meant about changing focus

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Quote from: Raptor on April 23, 2013, 04:29:44 pm

Well yeah but after I bumped my weight up intentionally to ~87 kg (in order to increase my squat) I'm jumping lower now, even at a higher squat to bodyweight ratio (had 160 kg low bar squat at ~85 or so in the past).

And I'm not talking about the one leg jump specifically but two leg jumps as well.

I guess being thisha heavy doesn't help jumping at all, even if you increase your squat. But then if I were NOT to try to gain weight AND strength then I'd be "spinning my wheels". Right.

or you can slowly add jump reps while you WAIT for the squat fatigue to fade.

you did low bar.. you're on your own there.

that 2nd vid lance posted has a lot of knee folding for a LBBS. thought it was the full squat first. don't assume he got to 40+SVJ from LBBS. those US bobsledders do a lot of FS too.

You can push your ass out and gm a high bar squat too, it happens a lot, even front squats can turn into a shitty exercise.  The knee folding, pushing UP is what makes it a good SQUAT period. 

Quote from: Raptor on April 23, 2013, 05:00:37 pm

By the way - I think I'll milk this high bar 3x5 I'm doing right now and once I get stuck (after I reset by 10% and try again) I'll probably switch back to low bar and see if it improved after this high bar squat stint.

If I could front squat I'd definitely do low bar back squat + front squat and call it a day.

just dont keep with the higher bar position if it messes with your knees, otherwise its fine.  Nothing was drastically wrong with your squat the way you were, so youre not going to get a magic carryover from a higher bar position if thats what youre expecting. 

But it's MUCH MORE difficult in this high bar way I'm doing it right now. So I guess that's my quads screaming "we're so WEAK". Sure, I probably go much lower now too, and with a narrower stance the total ROM is longer as well, so there are other differences than just the bar position.

You make the call about how much my knees go out in front:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0932wdPNjA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0932wdPNjA</a>

 Those look good Raptor, and its not how far out in front your knees go, rather where the weight is centered.  If you look at a really good squat, the weight of the lifter and the load is centered further away from the knee.  Thats where the knee stress really come into play, when the center of mass goes forward with the knees. 

 What could you high bar squat prior to your low bar?  Those looked easy, definitely not near maximal.

Yeah I know what you mean... these O-lift shoes help me not get that center of mass too forward. If I wouldn't have the o-lift shoes I would've continued to low bar squat because my knees wouldn't be happy with a center of mass forward high bar squat (like in the past). The only way I could avoid that with a regular shoe (and not elevating the heels on plates etc) would be to REALLY widen the stance.

As for the max high bar squat... I have no idea. Back in the day I had a "body-crushing" max attempt of 130 kg and then I switched to low bar, I THINK. I'm not sure. Right now my high bar 1RM is probably ~145 kg but I don't want to try it.

This 130 I lifted here ... I have no idea why it looks so easy... it was VERY difficult, not necessarily the rep itself but thinking about repeating that rep was difficult to imagine.

Probably because I'm not used to do high TUT, grinding reps. Maybe I should play around with some tempo variance work in the near future.

Well I'm currently doing medium stance high bar squats (like you see in that video I posted) and once I stall I'll get back to low bar squats and see where it got me, if they increased. And basically rotate around the low bar and the high bar squat, trying to get benefits from both styles. I THINK.

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or if I should just be choosing one style and stick with that.

narrow LBBS is the most "natural" squat for me.

I always feel like falling back if I'm not widening my stance or wearing OLS.