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  My 9 cents...  do whatever you have the most FUN doing, youll be onto some new phenomena next month and what you do this month will have absolutely no significance whatsover.  Main thing is have a lot of fun and get ready for the next month of program hopping when you notice your big toes arent up to par.

Thanks for the help by the way!

And don't act like I'm the "program hopper" because that's not the case. I've been consistently low bar squatting for the last 3 years or so and made that a priority and DID get it to almost 2x at 160 kg @ ~86 kg bodyweight so...

But it turns out the low bar squat doesn't have too much of a correspondence into athleticism, a low bar squat switch that I did, by the way, after your advice.

Thanks for the help by the way!


But it turns out the low bar squat doesn't have too much of a correspondence into athleticism, a low bar squat switch that I did, by the way, after your advice.

This is possibly your dumbest fucking post on this site, and I am not saying that as an exaggeration.

 First, that calculator you are arguing with me about, is made off the premise of "INSERT YOUR FULL LOW bAR SQUAT".  IN FACT, THE CREATOR USES THAT EXACT SQUAT STYLE.

 second, you were complaining over and over about your knees, and found a method of squatting that allowed you to do so and progress pain free. You were also clear you were interested primarily in SINGLE LEG VERT.   Your high bar squat must not have done much for you either. 

 Third, to say that moving the bar down 3 inches makes the squat not correspond to athleticism ( I saw your edit you fucking ass munch) is FUCKTARDED.  There are tons of cases of athletes using a low bar position and making great progress ONLINE, not to mention what actually happens in the gym.  If you stand with your feet out wide like a moron and try to drive your ass up in the air, sure, youre no longer even really squatting.  None of these are anything I would ever tell you to do.

Do you seriously think that your progress is purely up to your squat style?  I remember your dumb ass posting several times "I GOT THE HIGHEST I HAVE EVER GOTTEN TODAY OMG"  during this time also.   You went retard mode and changed your plan 10000x again and again, thats where you failed. 

Its funny you would try and use one of the ONLY productive time spans in your log, AS A SHOT AT ME. LMFAO.   "I need quads"  "I need plant speed"  "i need a tampon"  <----- thats what keeps you from getting anywhere.

Quote from: LanceSTS on April 22, 2013, 06:35:38 pm

  My 9 cents...  do whatever you have the most FUN doing, youll be onto some new phenomena next month and what you do this month will have absolutely no significance whatsover.  Main thing is have a lot of fun and get ready for the next month of program hopping when you notice your big toes arent up to par.

hey now, my big toes are NEVER up to par. not something i only notice between programs.

should probably quit your normal program and go on a high frequency toe raise set up.  If you dont progress, blame it on your choice of using hammer curls over dumbell preachers.

Actually it's written in that program that it's for a high bar squat. That "calculator" had an excel (in the past) that you could download and in that excel it's writted "high bar squat". It usually correlates well for people in between 5'7-5'11 or so and for me it was pretty accurate for low bar squatting too since I can use more weight with the low bar but I'm also taller than that range (and pretty long boned).

The problem with the low bar squat is that the quads just don't grow (for me). When I do low bar squats I feel like my quads are pretty much isometrically contracted and all the actualy concentric work is done by the posterior chain. Who knows at what degree they're actually doing work?

But yeah, I've been doing low bar squats because of the knee issues, that's correct. You're also right about the very wide stance - not being able to get depth with a medium stance (and not having o-lifting shoes) - I had to stay wider to get deeper.

Maybe if I could've use a medium stance and got deep with the low bar squat then more correlation to jumping would've happened.

I don't get why you think I've hopped around programs when I in fact CONSISTENTLY low bar squatted for 2 years or so. Yeah the programming might've been different every now and then but keep in mind some people change it every 8 weeks or so so... what's the big deal?

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But it turns out the low bar squat doesn't have too much of a correspondence into athleticism, a low bar squat switch that I did, by the way, after your advice.

page 66 of your log, after several squat prs in this manner:

Well kinda. No idea if they are PRs but I'm jumping the highest I've ever jumped off two. My jumping technique still sucks as heck, I can barely get a 2 inch gain from the run-up. I either get that or the legs overload and I just stiffen up and jump 20 inches.

Went in the park, played great agressive three on three and some one on one and then threw down two footed GREAT dunks with RL plants... I was QUICKLY jumping off the ground (something I never do) and just slamming it down. Definitely the best two footed dunks I have ever done on 2.96m.

If anything that I noticed, I was using the shoulders/shrugging much better than before. So the ground contact time was much lower and jumps much higher.

Will do the first Joel Smith workout right now in 10 minutes.

Lance Morning workout 6 (actually did it at 17:30):

JUMPS:

NONE
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Full squat (work up to a daily 1RM): bodyweight x 10, 20x8, 60x5, 80x3, 110x1, 130x2, 130x1, 110x5, 60x8 (emphasis on maximum acceleration), 60x8 (same thing)
Pushups: 10+10
Chinups: 6+6
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20 kg front plank : 30s
Side planks: 20s

Bodyweight: 82.0 kg
Rating: Good

Comments: Nice workout, although the bar felt kind of heavy.

Then went in the park and threw down some monstrous tomahawks. Vert was INCREDIBLY HIGH. I think I had one jump where I felt the hips fire at close to maximum strength and power (I usually feel I'm using ~50% of maximum power) and it felt, by the hangtime and where I hit my arm in the rim, about ~38 inches. Just very, very high. I mean, real tomahawks not just one hand dunks.

I think my PRIORITY (and I really have to emphasize that word) is core strength and control at this point. That's by far my weakest link right now. I really need to continue to work on improving core strength and control and I think I'm going to make this the first thing that I do in my morning workouts.

still waiting for your response to how you hit all these pr;s in vert, yet your squat doesnt correlate to athleticism.

  Why do you think that "if I try to not gain weight I will spin my wheels"?  Its bullshit, you MIGHT gain a little weight but you also might not, actively TRYING to gain weight is going to negatively affect your results if youre not already lean though.   You can make massive gains in relative strength while gaining very little to no weight if you 1.) eat enough protein, and not trash and 2.) train correctly