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Managing strength volume
« on: March 25, 2012, 09:00:08 pm »
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I want to start doing plyos starting this next week but I also want to reach a 150x5 squat. I was at 140x4 the last time I squatted.

So I don't know what to do. I should be fine with the chezkenny protocol with 2 strength days and 2 speed days per week of LOW volume strength work (1x5 in the squat, bench and deadlift for the strength days and 9x3 with light weights in the half squat and bench + cleans in the speed days).

Is reaching 150x5 realistic considering these factors? I did get to 140x5 the last time I did this protocol but probably due to the high frequency squatting.

Also, do you people think it's OK as far as fatigue generation goes for plyo work (I'll be rested enough to do plyos?).

IMO it should work but I want to hear other opinions.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Managing strength volume
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 06:46:57 pm »
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Yeah that's what I thought. :uhhhfacepalm:
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Managing strength volume
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 08:37:16 pm »
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I'd answer but I didn't exactly know what you were asking.

If your asking whether or not you should get to a 150kg squat before doing a plyo phase, I think you should.

If your asking whether or not you should do plyos while doing the chezkenny protocol, I think it may be too much. Perhaps, instead of doing speed work with the bar (as in 30% 1RM squats for 9x3) that's where you should substitue plyos. As in, replace lifting with plyos on the speed days. Of course this doesn't mean do depth jumps 3-5x a week... you can figure out the intensity for plyos yourself by now I'm sure.
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Re: Managing strength volume
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 02:31:42 am »
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Yeah^^^

That's why I did only a 3x3 instead of a 9x3 in the speed day on the half squat. Way too much volume if I do 9x3. But a 3x3 with 120, 110 and 100 kg going for speed is fine IMO. Otherwise, cleans and snatches during this speed day.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Managing strength volume
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 06:17:46 pm »
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I want to start doing plyos starting this next week but I also want to reach a 150x5 squat. I was at 140x4 the last time I squatted.

So I don't know what to do. I should be fine with the chezkenny protocol with 2 strength days and 2 speed days per week of LOW volume strength work (1x5 in the squat, bench and deadlift for the strength days and 9x3 with light weights in the half squat and bench + cleans in the speed days).

Is reaching 150x5 realistic considering these factors? I did get to 140x5 the last time I did this protocol but probably due to the high frequency squatting.

Also, do you people think it's OK as far as fatigue generation goes for plyo work (I'll be rested enough to do plyos?).

IMO it should work but I want to hear other opinions.

Really depends too much on the individual to know.  Personally, I could probably do it IF I didn't mind also gaining a few pounds along the way.  If I eat enough food I could recover from the plyos enough to build strength. 

Also really depends on the intensity of the plyos.  Plyos mean different things to different people.  If you mean some deer bounds integrated into your warmup... of course.  If you mean full intensity triple jumping and bounding, no way.  Most long and triple jumpers don't lift heavy if at all during season.... and those guys have world class recovery.

Also, your proficiency in the olympic lifts also has a lot to do with your recovery.  If your clean is approaching your front squat max.... then that's gonna take a lot out of you.   However, if your relatively weak at the clean and your essentially drilling form in your workouts then it will have little effect.

Many variables.  My coach always reminds us.... One rep to few is better than one rep to many.... That type of thinking might be helpful!

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Re: Managing strength volume
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 06:59:59 pm »
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Yeah that makes sense.

I think I'm going to do something like what I've been doing so far, so no chezkenny, because I feel like I need some volume to grow a bit in the upperbody considering my execrable bench and overhead press numbers.

But as far as squatting goes, I'm thinking of going with a 5 rep set of full squats and a 5 rep set of half squats and a 5 rep set of deadlifts and call it a day (two days per week this). I'll also do some hip thrusts/KB swings for some dynamic component but that's pretty much it.

So it would be 5 full squats, 5 half squats, 5 deadlifts and then hip thrusts/kb swings. The load I'll use would be a PR attempt load on Monday and a lighter load on Thursday.

Otherwise, it's time for plyos baby! If I'm still jumping ~36ish off one leg after 4 months of no jumping of any kind, plyos should give me a boost.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Managing strength volume
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 06:02:38 pm »
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Well I guess I'm not responding well to being heavy... knee soreness (I think so anyway) from being heavy I guess... I probably should start on trying to cut down... It seems the heavier I get I also get problems...
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps