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Lift weights again one day. Then, on that day and for the next 2 days, don't play basketball or do any plyos. The next time you step on the court you will get higher.

It sounds like you just need a little bit of rest right now. Otherwise, practice your jumps in your plyo sessions. Maybe you're not coordinated enough to jump higher.

Lift weights again one day. Then, on that day and for the next 2 days, don't play basketball or do any plyos. The next time you step on the court you will get higher.

It sounds like you just need a little bit of rest right now. Otherwise, practice your jumps in your plyo sessions. Maybe you're not coordinated enough to jump higher.

this has been over the course of 5+ months, so i don't think rest is the issue.  can you elaborate on "not coordinated enough"? i'm fairly above average in terms of athleticism. i've been able to grab rim for like 5 years now (19 now) and i've never actually committed to any kind of workout routine until now, aside from playing a lot of basketball

obviously, i'm not looking for some miracle answer. i'm going to continue working at it as hard as always, i just thought i would have seen some results by now

I agree, if you got significaly stronger and lost significant weight, there's no reason you shouldn't be getting higher.

You're schedule has a LOT of work in it.  You're not ever recovered.  Deload for a week or so, maintain your max strength with low volume work/high intensity work and go out and practice jumping when your legs are fresh.  During this jumping training phase, I would day lift lower body only 1-2x a week with low volume, just to maintain your strength.  Its important to go out and practice max effort jumping/dunk attempts as much as you can (whenever ur legs are fresh)

like i said above, i've had several deload weeks and plenty of time to rest.  but i might take some time off lifting heavy and focus a lot more on jumping and plyos

How high, roughly, do you jump? Standing? From a drop-step? From a full run-up?

Otherwise, people are right that you won't jump up to your potential when you are always in the process of recovering. For training that is not necessarily a bad thing. But to get a better feel for what you can actually jump I second what Dreyth wrote - a couple days off is the way to go.

Besides that, your progress is very good. But 295 is not a high squat yet, even at your current weight. Keep at it and add an explosive lift, preferably a powerclean or powersnatch to your training.

Okay for now, do these two things:

1) Film yourself jumping and post it here (preferably running jumps).

2) Take 3 days off from any physical activity and then go to the court. Play one pick up game to get warm, then go jump before lifting weights or doing plyos.

NO barbell, just bands.

http://www.verticaljumping.com/power_jumper.html

The Portable Power Jumper is composed of bands that attached to holders you wear around your ankles. You loop the bands across your shoulders and they stretch as you lift your torso away from your ankles (where the bands' ends are secured) in a jump. The resistance obviously grows as the bands stretch, forcing you to accelerate more than usual in order to get the same velocity off the ground.

Using too much band resistance defeats the purpose. Just a little band resistance fires up your nervous sytem to make you move faster (and hence jump higher) once the bands are off. Too much resistance turns this back into a weighted squat practically and moves you from speed over to the strength side of the speed-strength curve.

You don't HAVE to buy the PPJ. You can use a couple of mini bands. Loop one under each foot and then over the neck and then jump.

Again, this may not be what you need. But it helped me. A little accomodating resistance "taught" my body how to move more quickly, develop force faster, etc. This was after a couple years of doing nothing but heavy squatting and deadlifting. I'd gotten much better at moving heavier things slowly, but I hadn't practiced moving quickly. The band jumping "turned the speed on". What was amazing was how quickly it did it. Immediate improvement after just a few triples with the bands. Gains promptly slowed down after that and I never got to 30" before I had to take a break from lower body work. But 2" in one day isn't bad (and indicates that I just really needed something to force me to move faster with my existing strength).

Quote from: Gary on April 19, 2012, 03:40:53 pm

NO barbell, just bands.

http://www.verticaljumping.com/power_jumper.html

The Portable Power Jumper is composed of bands that attached to holders you wear around your ankles. You loop the bands across your shoulders and they stretch as you lift your torso away from your ankles (where the bands' ends are secured) in a jump. The resistance obviously grows as the bands stretch, forcing you to accelerate more than usual in order to get the same velocity off the ground.

Using too much band resistance defeats the purpose. Just a little band resistance fires up your nervous sytem to make you move faster (and hence jump higher) once the bands are off. Too much resistance turns this back into a weighted squat practically and moves you from speed over to the strength side of the speed-strength curve.

You don't HAVE to buy the PPJ. You can use a couple of mini bands. Loop one under each foot and then over the neck and then jump.

Again, this may not be what you need. But it helped me. A little accomodating resistance "taught" my body how to move more quickly, develop force faster, etc. This was after a couple years of doing nothing but heavy squatting and deadlifting. I'd gotten much better at moving heavier things slowly, but I hadn't practiced moving quickly. The band jumping "turned the speed on". What was amazing was how quickly it did it. Immediate improvement after just a few triples with the bands. Gains promptly slowed down after that and I never got to 30" before I had to take a break from lower body work. But 2" in one day isn't bad (and indicates that I just really needed something to force me to move faster with my existing strength).

honestly, just do depth jumps.

I'm guessing you don't realize I'm the guy who had to drain all that fluid out of his banged up knee every day for a couple of years..?

And don't assume that I didn't try depth jumps. You seem exasperated that the bands worked better for me than the depth jumps did. Why is that?

Quote from: Dreyth on April 19, 2012, 05:27:32 pm

Quote from: Gary on April 19, 2012, 03:40:53 pm

NO barbell, just bands.

http://www.verticaljumping.com/power_jumper.html

The Portable Power Jumper is composed of bands that attached to holders you wear around your ankles. You loop the bands across your shoulders and they stretch as you lift your torso away from your ankles (where the bands' ends are secured) in a jump. The resistance obviously grows as the bands stretch, forcing you to accelerate more than usual in order to get the same velocity off the ground.

Using too much band resistance defeats the purpose. Just a little band resistance fires up your nervous sytem to make you move faster (and hence jump higher) once the bands are off. Too much resistance turns this back into a weighted squat practically and moves you from speed over to the strength side of the speed-strength curve.

You don't HAVE to buy the PPJ. You can use a couple of mini bands. Loop one under each foot and then over the neck and then jump.

Again, this may not be what you need. But it helped me. A little accomodating resistance "taught" my body how to move more quickly, develop force faster, etc. This was after a couple years of doing nothing but heavy squatting and deadlifting. I'd gotten much better at moving heavier things slowly, but I hadn't practiced moving quickly. The band jumping "turned the speed on". What was amazing was how quickly it did it. Immediate improvement after just a few triples with the bands. Gains promptly slowed down after that and I never got to 30" before I had to take a break from lower body work. But 2" in one day isn't bad (and indicates that I just really needed something to force me to move faster with my existing strength).

honestly, just do depth jumps.

I'm guessing you don't realize I'm the guy who had to drain all that fluid out of his banged up knee every day for a couple of years..?

And don't assume that I didn't try depth jumps. You seem exasperated that the bands worked better for me than the depth jumps did. Why is that?

I was unclear.

I was telling the OP to do depth jumps, but I quoted you