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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 07:57:22 am »
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So i will start to eat alot, i can see where people are coming from when people eat they gain both fat and lean muscle but when it comes to gaining weight it is possible to lose fat but it may not be the same fat that was gained with the weight but a replacement or something. But i will have to eat a lot as well as train hard.

So how about regarding my hypertrophy workout routine which i have edited in my previous post.


Here are a few things i have understood, correct me if i am  wrong.

from the jump higher run faster website.

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Having said that, although soreness has little to do with effectiveness, having a bigger variety of exercises is useful for one whose goal is hypertrophy because it does allow you to zero in on smaller muscles within a group and the goal of bodybuilding is full muscular development.

So for a hypertrophy training i need have a bigger variety of exercise like specific exercises for specific muscles.

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Hey bud, the way lbss layed that out is much better and similar to what I recommend, but dont get fixated on percentages, base your sets off the target rep range, that way you take advantage of the bodies supercompensation phases and not some random percentage that may or may not be optimal for you that day.  As long as youre steadily improving in the big lifts that count its going to work either way, its just much faster when base your work sets on what youre capable of THAT day, and not random predetermined numbers.  On days you are weaker, your body is holding you back for a reason, then on days when you are stronger, you need to take advantage of that and push the envelope.

I was reading the HST article on the official site and that is where i got the numbers of sets and reps to do and the exercise. But from what you said something about the target rep range, what do you mean, do as much as is possible for me on that day?

So you are saying do not do loaded and deloaded sessions, but instead do workout according to the state your body is in. the days my body is weaker i do low reps and low sets and for days my body is stronger, go stronger like increase weight on the bar or medium sets and medium reps.

Correct?

As for the workout.

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big movements first, small movements after (e.g. rows before bicep curls).

better example:

DAY 1
Squat: 3-4X6-8/3' (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3' rest)
Romanian DL or regular DL: 3-4X6-8/3'
Bulgarian split squat: 2-3X10-12/2'
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3'

DAY 2
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3'
Row: 3-4X6-8/3'
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2'
Pulldown/chin up: 2-3X10-12/2'
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'

if you want to do everything on the same day, you could just put the big upper exercises right after the big lower exercises and then do all your assistance. also, the only way you will gain mass is to eat more calories than you burn. so if you moderate your caloric surplus, you won't have a problem with becoming "overbuilt." and really, because i assume you won't be taking steroids, a moderate caloric surplus will just help you avoid getting fat. don't worry about becoming too built.

So i would like to do them all on one day. So something like this.

the reps and sets will be according to the state of my body on that day. if i feel strong i may add more weight as well as what was mentioned in the above quote.

DAY 1, DAY 3 & DAY 5

ATG Squats/Squats/Feet Close together
Bulgarian Split Squats
Deadlifts/RDL/Stiff Leg
Calf Raises

Clean and Press

Flat Bench Press/incline/decline

Bent Over Rows
Upright Rows/hands close/wide grip
Bicep Curls
Pull-Over
Tricep Extension/Dips

PullUps
Millitary Press

Hanging Leg Raises
Weighted Sit Ups
Turkish Get Ups

which bent over rows is better the one shown on the stronglifts website or the one shown on the bodybuilding website for this training.

i have placed compound exercises as i heard it helps in muscle growth and is best for hypertrophy training.

when should i use the different variations i have mentioned

Thanks

EDITED 05 August 2011 20:23 GMT: Changed the Order of the exercise according to big movements first then small movements after and adding weighted situps.

Thanks
« Last Edit: August 07, 2011, 02:17:24 pm by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2011, 02:18:45 pm »
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would it be too much if i added weighted leg raises to exercise my lower abs if not then which exercise would good to replace it with.

Thanks
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2011, 02:27:00 pm »
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would it be too much if i added weighted leg raises to exercise my lower abs if not then which exercise would good to replace it with.

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just do weighted leg raises and don't do weighted sit ups.  weighted sit ups suck.  leg raises work your lower AND upper abs anyways.
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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2011, 02:30:52 pm »
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Ok i will replace weighted sit ups with weighted leg raises.

Thanks for that
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 02:35:15 pm »
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For my Protein Shake; is maximuscle a good whey protein product.

the proportions for my shake will be 0.8gram per kilo bodyweight and 0.4 grams per kilo bodyweight.

So this is my final workout routine

DAY 1, DAY 3 & DAY 5

ATG Squats
Bulgarian Split Squats
Deadlifts
Calf Raises

Clean and Press

Flat Bench Press

Bent Over Rows
Upright Rows
Pull-Over
Bicep Curls
Tricep Extensions

PullUps
Millitary Press

Hanging Leg Raises
Weighted Leg Raises
Turkish Get Ups

Thanks

P.S Lying Tricep Extensions or Dips
« Last Edit: August 07, 2011, 02:43:19 pm by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 06:01:56 pm »
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For my Protein Shake; is maximuscle a good whey protein product.

the proportions for my shake will be 0.8gram per kilo bodyweight and 0.4 grams per kilo bodyweight.

So this is my final workout routine

DAY 1, DAY 3 & DAY 5

ATG Squats
Bulgarian Split Squats
Deadlifts
Calf Raises

Clean and Press

Flat Bench Press

Bent Over Rows
Upright Rows
Pull-Over
Bicep Curls
Tricep Extensions

PullUps
Millitary Press

Hanging Leg Raises
Weighted Leg Raises
Turkish Get Ups

Thanks

P.S Lying Tricep Extensions or Dips

I would rather do what LBSS outlined earlier. There is too much redundancy in there. It's not even about bigger and smaller, main and assistance exercises, this is just too much stuff and you won't progress the weights as fast as you could with less volume. With your current strength levels you should worry about getting strong in a handful of big lifts and add assistance exercises later - when it becomes necessary.

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2011, 06:45:59 pm »
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Yeah LBSS's first post with that routine looked pretty good.  I would just do that.  You're adding way too much volume to your training.  You're literally working yourself out.  Every training session you should focus on just 1-2 major lifts, and then you can play around with 2-3 assistance lifts, which you shouldn't take as seriously.  A couple years back I used to train how you've outlined a routine for yourself, and I made small strength gains, but I never gained even 5lbs.  It wasn't until I switched to a lower volume routine focusing on big lifts first, and then hitting just 2 assistance exercises that I gained any weight on my body or my lifts.

You should re-read the very last section of that kelly baggett article d-rose posted.

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 08:01:16 am »
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LBSS said i could do it all in one day so this is what i got.

DAY 1, 3 & 5

Squat: 3-4X6-8/3' (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3' rest)
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3'

Romanian DL or regular DL: 3-4X6-8/3'
Bulgarian split squat: 2-3X10-12/2'
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3'

Row: 3-4X6-8/3'
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2'
Pulldown/chin up: 2-3X10-12/2'
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'

Hanging Leg Raises 2-3X8-10/2'
Turkish Get Ups 2-3X6-8/3'

Is this any better?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2011, 08:05:23 am by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2011, 10:13:42 am »
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i'd take out the BSS for now and see how you do. you already have lots of leg volume so i'm not really sure what it adds if you're just trying to get bigger. otherwise, seems okay to me.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2011, 10:16:52 am »
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everyone gains fat when they gain weight. except steroid users. and sometimes even them. the proportion you gain of muscle and fat depends on (not in order of importance):

1. your genes,
2. your size and how fat you are when you start trying to gain weight,*
3. your activity level and the types of activities you're doing, and
4. your diet.

*e.g. very fat, untrained people are generally the only people who can really build muscle and lose fat at the same time. everyone else is stuck with at least a little fat gain.

But I recently, gained some muscle mass, while losing fat.  I started at ~13%BF, only 153lbs at 5'8".  This was my goal and I asked Lance this before and he said it is very possible to gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously.  I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, but yeah...

are you a teenager?
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2011, 10:20:56 am »
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Ok i will get rid of the bulgarian split squats as i am just trying to improve my major lift numbers and add on some muscle mass a little not to be a bodybuilder.

With added muscle mass, more muscle fibres available then before to utilize correct.

Final Workout.

DAY 1, 3 & 5

Squat: 3-4X6-8/3' (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3' rest)
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3'

Romanian DL or regular DL: 3-4X6-8/3'
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3'

Row: 3-4X6-8/3'
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2'
Pulldown/chin up: 2-3X10-12/2'
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'

Hanging Leg Raises 2-3X8-10/2'
Turkish Get Ups 2-3X6-8/3'

Thanks again for your help LBSS and thanks everyone for the tips
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2011, 10:22:18 am »
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is maxi muscle a good whey protein powder to use?

as it will be my first time in taking any sort of supplements for my training, i will be taking one before and after workout. 0.8 grams per kilo bodyweight and 0.4 grams dextrose per kilo bodyweight.

Thanks
« Last Edit: August 08, 2011, 10:25:30 am by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2011, 10:49:17 am »
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Ok i will get rid of the bulgarian split squats as i am just trying to improve my major lift numbers and add on some muscle mass a little not to be a bodybuilder.

With added muscle mass, more muscle fibres available then before to utilize correct.

Final Workout.

DAY 1, 3 & 5

Squat: 3-4X6-8/3' (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3' rest)
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3'

Romanian DL or regular DL: 3-4X6-8/3'
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3'

Row: 3-4X6-8/3'
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2'
Pulldown/chin up: 2-3X10-12/2'
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'

Hanging Leg Raises 2-3X8-10/2'
Turkish Get Ups 2-3X6-8/3'

Thanks again for your help LBSS and thanks everyone for the tips


I disagree that you should do everything in one work-out. You should not do bench press and incline / shoulder press at the same day. You should not row and chin-up the same day. You don't have to train triceps and biceps right now other than with the compound movements (bench press, incline / overhead press, chin-up, row).
Don't be silly, there is no reason to do everything everyday instead of splitting your volume in half and getting some quality work done.

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2011, 11:54:54 am »
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you've never heard of main lift + accessory lifts, steven-miller?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2011, 04:23:41 pm »
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you've never heard of main lift + accessory lifts, steven-miller?

Sure I "heard" of it. Does not make it useful for a beginner though. You add accessory lifts when main lifts get stuck as an intermediate lifter. Other than that I don't see the need for too much variety.