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Hypertrophy Training Tips
« on: August 04, 2011, 06:15:04 am »
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To LanceSTS or other strength training experts.

here are the tips i have been given.

I would like help in setting up my hypertrophy routine.

The hard part for me is the experimenting part as i don't have a clear picture of what suits me best and understanding loading and deloading times.

I'm going to try first with 2 weeks loaded followed by low sets and high reps 1 week deloaded.

Thanks to Sim Johal who helped me get this far.

Here is what i have so far.

Start at 70% RM

500 calorie shake with each meal

That's a shake before during and after every workout. Start off with just one shake after the workout, then once your appetite increases, add in the other 2. Follow the guidelines I set, about 0.8grams whey powder per kilo of bodywieght in each shake, along with dextrose, 0.4 grams of dextrose per kilo of bodywieght.

Turkish get ups - 3x10 increase by 2 reps every week.

shake AFTER THE WORKOUT. Withing an hour after make sure you've drank it all

1. atg squats on mondays, deadlifts on wednesdays and overhead squats on friday

or

2. atg squats and over head squats on monday, overhead squats and deadlifts on wednesday and back atg squats and overhead squats on friday.

Aim
Lead up to squatting 2x my bodyweight
Develop More Raw Materials (Muscle Fibers)
Add 'Slabs' of Muscle

Duration: not decided how long it should be i want it to be enough to gain muscle but not too long that i get too bulky as i am also training for track.

Monday
ATG Squats
Over head squats

Wednesdays
Overhead Squats
Deadlifts on a Low Platform

Friday
ATG squats
Overhead squats

Starting Load will be 70% of my Max Rep.

I would be greatful if you could help me in creating hypertrophy program.

Thanks
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 06:44:31 am »
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My Hypertrophy Workout Prototype

Aim

Squat 2x my bodyweight
Develop More Raw Materials (Muscle Fibers)
Add 'Slabs' of Muscle

Workouts
Monday,Wednesday and Friday
70-80% RM

Loaded Session
Monday and Friday

ATG Squats 1 x 8-10 Reps 
Over head squats 2 x 8-10 Reps
Bulgarian Split Squats 1 X 8-10 Reps
Bicep Curls 2 X 8-10
Barbell Rows 2 X 8-10 Reps
Tricep Extensions 2 X 8-10 Reps
Chin Ups 2 X 8-10 Reps
Bench Press 2 X 8-10 Reps
Shoulder Press 1 X 8-10 Reps
Front Dumbell Raise
Lying Rear Delt Raise
Weighted Standing Calf Raises 2 X 8-10 Reps
Hanging Leg Raises 2 X 8-10 Reps
Weighted Torso Rotations 2 X 8-10 Reps
Weighted Sit Ups 2 X 8-10 Reps
Turkish Get-Ups 2 X 8-10 Reps

Wednesday The Same but replace ATG Squats with Deadlifts on a platform.

I don't want to become overbuilt just to add some muscle mass.
As you can see i need help

Thanks
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 09:53:46 am »
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big movements first, small movements after (e.g. rows before bicep curls).

better example:

DAY 1
Squat: 3-4X6-8/3' (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3' rest)
Romanian DL or regular DL: 3-4X6-8/3'
Bulgarian split squat: 2-3X10-12/2'
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3'

DAY 2
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3'
Row: 3-4X6-8/3'
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2'
Pulldown/chin up: 2-3X10-12/2'
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'

if you want to do everything on the same day, you could just put the big upper exercises right after the big lower exercises and then do all your assistance. also, the only way you will gain mass is to eat more calories than you burn. so if you moderate your caloric surplus, you won't have a problem with becoming "overbuilt." and really, because i assume you won't be taking steroids, a moderate caloric surplus will just help you avoid getting fat. don't worry about becoming too built.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 10:00:55 am by LBSS »
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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 12:51:57 pm »
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what are your numbers dude...that honestly seems like too many exercises.

check out thishttp://www.higher-faster-sports.com/exercisevariety.html

read it thoroughly dude...especially the part about his nephew...same situationas you
« Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 12:55:19 pm by D-Rose Jr »

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 02:02:59 pm »
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To LanceSTS or other strength training experts.

here are the tips i have been given.

I would like help in setting up my hypertrophy routine.

The hard part for me is the experimenting part as i don't have a clear picture of what suits me best and understanding loading and deloading times.

I'm going to try first with 2 weeks loaded followed by low sets and high reps 1 week deloaded.

Thanks to Sim Johal who helped me get this far.

Here is what i have so far.

Start at 70% RM

500 calorie shake with each meal

That's a shake before during and after every workout. Start off with just one shake after the workout, then once your appetite increases, add in the other 2. Follow the guidelines I set, about 0.8grams whey powder per kilo of bodywieght in each shake, along with dextrose, 0.4 grams of dextrose per kilo of bodywieght.

Turkish get ups - 3x10 increase by 2 reps every week.

shake AFTER THE WORKOUT. Withing an hour after make sure you've drank it all

1. atg squats on mondays, deadlifts on wednesdays and overhead squats on friday

or

2. atg squats and over head squats on monday, overhead squats and deadlifts on wednesday and back atg squats and overhead squats on friday.

Aim
Lead up to squatting 2x my bodyweight
Develop More Raw Materials (Muscle Fibers)
Add 'Slabs' of Muscle

Duration: not decided how long it should be i want it to be enough to gain muscle but not too long that i get too bulky as i am also training for track.

Monday
ATG Squats
Over head squats

Wednesdays
Overhead Squats
Deadlifts on a Low Platform

Friday
ATG squats
Overhead squats

Starting Load will be 70% of my Max Rep.

I would be greatful if you could help me in creating hypertrophy program.

Thanks

Hey bud, the way lbss layed that out is much better and similar to what I recommend, but dont get fixated on percentages, base your sets off the target rep range, that way you take advantage of the bodies supercompensation phases and not some random percentage that may or may not be optimal for you that day.  As long as youre steadily improving in the big lifts that count its going to work either way, its just much faster when base your work sets on what youre capable of THAT day, and not random predetermined numbers.  On days you are weaker, your body is holding you back for a reason, then on days when you are stronger, you need to take advantage of that and push the envelope.
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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 07:01:44 pm »
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One thing i forgot to mention is that i am a hard gainer, it is hard for me to put on weight. Making my diet hard to do.

Here are a few things i have understood, correct me if i am  wrong.

from the jump higher run faster website.

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Having said that, although soreness has little to do with effectiveness, having a bigger variety of exercises is useful for one whose goal is hypertrophy because it does allow you to zero in on smaller muscles within a group and the goal of bodybuilding is full muscular development.

So for a hypertrophy training i need have a bigger variety of exercise like specific exercises for specific muscles.

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Hey bud, the way lbss layed that out is much better and similar to what I recommend, but dont get fixated on percentages, base your sets off the target rep range, that way you take advantage of the bodies supercompensation phases and not some random percentage that may or may not be optimal for you that day.  As long as youre steadily improving in the big lifts that count its going to work either way, its just much faster when base your work sets on what youre capable of THAT day, and not random predetermined numbers.  On days you are weaker, your body is holding you back for a reason, then on days when you are stronger, you need to take advantage of that and push the envelope.

I was reading the HST article on the official site and that is where i got the numbers of sets and reps to do and the exercise. But from what you said something about the target rep range, what do you mean, do as much as is possible for me on that day?

So you are saying do not do loaded and deloaded sessions, but instead do workout according to the state your body is in. the days my body is weaker i do low reps and low sets and for days my body is stronger, go stronger like increase weight on the bar or medium sets and medium reps.

Correct?

As for the workout.

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big movements first, small movements after (e.g. rows before bicep curls).

better example:

DAY 1
Squat: 3-4X6-8/3' (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3' rest)
Romanian DL or regular DL: 3-4X6-8/3'
Bulgarian split squat: 2-3X10-12/2'
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3'

DAY 2
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3'
Row: 3-4X6-8/3'
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2'
Pulldown/chin up: 2-3X10-12/2'
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5'

if you want to do everything on the same day, you could just put the big upper exercises right after the big lower exercises and then do all your assistance. also, the only way you will gain mass is to eat more calories than you burn. so if you moderate your caloric surplus, you won't have a problem with becoming "overbuilt." and really, because i assume you won't be taking steroids, a moderate caloric surplus will just help you avoid getting fat. don't worry about becoming too built.

So i would like to do them all on one day. So something like this.

the reps and sets will be according to the state of my body on that day. if i feel strong i may add more weight as well as what was mentioned in the above quote.

DAY 1, DAY 3 & DAY 5

ATG Squats/Squats/Feet Close together
Bulgarian Split Squats
Deadlifts/RDL/Stiff Leg
Calf Raises

Clean and Press

Flat Bench Press/incline/decline

Bent Over Rows
Upright Rows/hands close/wide grip
Bicep Curls
Pull-Over
Tricep Extension/Dips

PullUps
Millitary Press

Hanging Leg Raises
Weighted Sit Ups
Turkish Get Ups

which bent over rows is better the one shown on the stronglifts website or the one shown on the bodybuilding website for this training.

i have placed compound exercises as i heard it helps in muscle growth and is best for hypertrophy training.

when should i use the different variations i have mentioned

Thanks

EDITED 05 August 2011 20:23 GMT: Changed the Order of the exercise according to big movements first then small movements after and adding weighted situps.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2011, 03:28:10 pm by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 09:03:53 pm »
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if you are a hard gainer, eat more. being a hard gainer almost always means your body just doesn't want to eat enough to gain wait. suck it up and force yourself to eat a little more and, lo and behold, you will gain weight.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 10:47:11 pm »
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if you are a hard gainer, eat more. being a hard gainer almost always means your body just doesn't want to eat enough to gain wait. suck it up and force yourself to eat a little more and, lo and behold, you will gain weight.

http://jasonferruggia.com/the-1-tip-for-the-hormonally-fcked-hardgainer/

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 10:47:31 pm »
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honestly dude what are your numbers

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 09:24:49 am »
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if you are a hard gainer, eat more. being a hard gainer almost always means your body just doesn't want to eat enough to gain wait. suck it up and force yourself to eat a little more and, lo and behold, you will gain weight.

http://jasonferruggia.com/the-1-tip-for-the-hormonally-fcked-hardgainer/

edit: never mind.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2011, 09:31:14 am by LBSS »
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Hypertrophy Training Tips
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 11:46:36 am »
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if you are a hard gainer, eat more. being a hard gainer almost always means your body just doesn't want to eat enough to gain wait. suck it up and force yourself to eat a little more and, lo and behold, you will gain weight.

http://jasonferruggia.com/the-1-tip-for-the-hormonally-fcked-hardgainer/

edit: never mind.
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I was just saying some people can just eat and gain pure muscle they're too lazy to eat, but other people are skinny+FAT so when they eat like that they gain muscle and fat.


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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 01:10:58 pm »
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everyone gains fat when they gain weight. except steroid users. and sometimes even them. the proportion you gain of muscle and fat depends on (not in order of importance):

1. your genes,
2. your size and how fat you are when you start trying to gain weight,*
3. your activity level and the types of activities you're doing, and
4. your diet.

*e.g. very fat, untrained people are generally the only people who can really build muscle and lose fat at the same time. everyone else is stuck with at least a little fat gain.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 03:31:20 pm »
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honestly dude what are your numbers

I posted my numbers on the Intro page but here it is again.

So would that make my 1RM Deadlift 140kg (as i lifting a sack truck from the bottom with a load of 140kg to assist the person pulling it) it was very quick and then quickley down but in my exercise my deadlift is the same as my squat so far i have did as i use the same weight on the deadlift and the squat.

ATG Squat (I go all the way to the bottom): 146lbs.
Barbell Lunges: 105lbs

Pull-Up Box Squat (by LanceSTS): approx 7 inch carrying 105lbs.

Bench Press: 103lbs

Bicep Barbell Curls:75lbs
above goes same for Seated Shoulder Press, Tricep Extension, Bent over Rows
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 03:39:48 pm »
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everyone gains fat when they gain weight. except steroid users. and sometimes even them. the proportion you gain of muscle and fat depends on (not in order of importance):

1. your genes,
2. your size and how fat you are when you start trying to gain weight,*
3. your activity level and the types of activities you're doing, and
4. your diet.

*e.g. very fat, untrained people are generally the only people who can really build muscle and lose fat at the same time. everyone else is stuck with at least a little fat gain.

But I recently, gained some muscle mass, while losing fat.  I started at ~13%BF, only 153lbs at 5'8".  This was my goal and I asked Lance this before and he said it is very possible to gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously.  I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, but yeah...
Goal is to dunk.

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Current vertical : 38.5"

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 04:14:52 pm »
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Me too. I lost weight while gaining on my lifts. From 14-15% to about 13% BF.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps