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Modified JackM split
« on: September 18, 2012, 10:21:45 am »
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OK so I'm doing the JackM split, taking weight gainers, creatine, vitamins, energizers, ZMA, I try to rest well, doing stretching, eating better... basically doing everything. Yet my squat still sucks so hard. My form has degraded as well.

I go with 2 leg workouts per week, one with 3x5 squats + assistance (so far used natural GHRs, now I'm using straight leg deadlifts supersetted with leg curls since the natural GHRs were wrecking my knees like no tomorrow) and one workout going 4x12 with bulgarian split squats + the same assistance exercises.

I also do 3x5 low box depth jumps before the squats, and some hang cleans/hang snatches in the upperbody days (the upperbody days are following the lowerbody days).

THE PROBLEMS IS - my squat sucks. I wasn't any better than last week today, struggling to do 120x5x3. Form was bad.

What should I do? I was thinking of going with what Lance suggested, one day of MSEM type stuff, maybe even in the mold that Kelly suggested (like work up to a 90% of 1RM then take 10% off and do singles with that for 8 sets or so) in one day and some explosive stuff in another, maintaing the hypertrophy day unchanged (4x12 BSSs).

So basically I'd have 3 workouts instead of 2, one MSEM, one explosive stuff squatting (like 6x2 with 60% of 1RM) and one 4x12 BSS.

Having 2 squat workouts instead of one should also increase my squatting movement efficiency as well, as that seems to be lacking right now + the benefits of having a very heavy lift in one day + the benefits of having a very explosive lift in another.

So the whole thing would be like this:

WO1: 8x1 squat singles
WO2: 6x2 with 60% explosive squats
WO3: 4x12 BSSs


What do you guys think?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 11:59:32 am »
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MORE VOLUME OF SQUATTING. if your squat sucks, why are you only squatting once a week?
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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 12:14:05 pm »
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THE PROBLEMS IS - my squat sucks. I wasn't any better than last week today, struggling to do 120x5x3. Form was bad.

What are your strengths and weaknesses? Videos of your lifts would be good. Identify the specific weak points and then add an appropriate assistance ex to address it. I remember chrisbro suggested it to me a few months ago in my log but i only now came around to understanding the merit of this approach. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. You could fix a weakness and improve your form and tonnage just by identifying what needs the most attention.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2012, 12:19:28 pm by entropy »
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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 01:14:53 pm »
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MORE VOLUME OF SQUATTING. if your squat sucks, why are you only squatting once a week?

Exactly^^^

That's why I want to increase the frequency. Even if I do only 8x1 and 6x2 in the work sets, all those warm-up sets are just "squat practice sets" so... they should improve my squat movement efficiency quite a bit.

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THE PROBLEMS IS - my squat sucks. I wasn't any better than last week today, struggling to do 120x5x3. Form was bad.

What are your strengths and weaknesses? Videos of your lifts would be good. Identify the specific weak points and then add an appropriate assistance ex to address it. I remember chrisbro suggested it to me a few months ago in my log but i only now came around to understanding the merit of this approach. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. You could fix a weakness and improve your form and tonnage just by identifying what needs the most attention.

Well, I think the most important thing in terms of "lacking" is focus in the gym. Whenever I go to the gym "early" (before evening) I suck so bad in terms of focus. I feel bad, I get out of breath, I lurch around in the gym gasping for air after every set, I get anxious etc.

My best gym performances came when I went to the gym really late, around 21:30. I haven't been at that hour in a year or so, but I'm planning to go tomorrow for my upperbody workout.

The only reason I go early is to avoid the high amount of people in the gym that come from work and go to the gym at evening. Plus the gym is located in a place where a ton of gypsies move around and "wild dogs" (we have a lot of unowned dogs here in Bucuresti that become aggressive at night).

But I think I'll go tomorrow at night, see what people/how many people come, see if my focus/overall feeling is better.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 05:06:37 pm »
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By the way - my PR in the squat occured during the chezkenny programming, with 6 squat days per week (2 full squat days, 4 explosive half squat days).
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 05:22:02 am »
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Yeah , not enough squating in here. Both MSEM and eXpLoZiF squats are more worthy stim-wise. If you insist on having the BSS instead of squat for the volume exercise, you could maybe change the MSEM variant, go for 2 sets of 4 singles and up the weight on the 2nd set.
OR you could do those 8 singles but waveload them and chase a PR somewhere in there. Something like the Verkoshansky's MSEM 2nd variant, he calls for 6 sets of 2-3 reps but you get the picture.


Variant 2 - Much more intense:
Parameters:

Sets: Wave loaded
Reps: 2-3 (rest between reps)
Intensity:

Set 1: 90%
Set 2: 95%
Set 3: 100%
Set 4: 95%
Set 5: 100%
Set 6: Attempt PR

« Last Edit: September 19, 2012, 05:53:05 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 09:50:24 am »
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I wary of trying for PRs. I'd rather lift submaximall and faster than try for grinding PRs. I have no spotters and even if I do squat in the cage, which is unadjustable, I wouldn't want to fail a lift, even there.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 11:06:35 am »
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Re: you have stronger workouts in the PM vs AM -

Is your preworkout nutrition good for AM? Wondering if you are just better prepared for PM workouts
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Re: Modified JackM split
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 12:09:45 pm »
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Ever since 15 years old I started going to bed at ~3AM because I used phone internet (dial-up) and the phone bill was 10 times less when used from 23 well into the night (up until 6 AM).

So I started and have continued to do it even when I got fiber optic internet. I also watched NBA and all 7 ET games start at 2AM here (it's a 7 hour difference). So I was sometimes going to bed at ~5-6 AM.

Obviously this has messed up my circadian rhythm over time, and I get "awake" at ~19 hours or so. Until then I'm sluggish etc.

At least this is my theory, I think it's pretty logical.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps