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TKXII

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I am running a 5k in two days, signed up today. Make a bet as to how fast or slow I will do this.

I feel kinda slow this week due to frequent squatting. But I plan to do some plyos today to improve RFD by Sunday. From personal experience, just one plyometric workout makes me feel noticeably springier in a few days when I am recovered. I did some 150s today but they were slower than last time, around 20s for each one. 150m is the longest sprint I ever perform.

Make a bet! 

Also feel free to discuss the effect of high intensity interval exercises on endurance performance.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 07:36:52 pm »
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Well judging that you are more of a short distance runner, 5k is about 3 miles, which is a lot.
The time ranges from 15min to 30min from expert to average.

I say with endurance training and it has to be in the range of like average run of a 3/4 mile - 1 mile to get a feel for it.
 :lololol: bets on 32 mins
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 05:56:31 am »
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do you mean 5km oder 5 miles ?
If its km I guess it takes you about 19 min. I get 6.8km in half an hour without training
If it´s in miles probably 45min or something like that
current vertical: 32.5 inches
longterm goal: 35 inches
shortterm goal 120kgx5 squat
squat: 5x105kg
size: 6,1 weight: 77kg

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 06:21:32 am »
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"5k" = guessing 5 kilometres. I'm thinking about 29mins.

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 12:47:36 pm »
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haha. these are all the bets I've gotten so far

16:25, 19, 23, 29, 32

I went on google maps and visualized what 3 miles looks like using a couple landmarks I know. It's not a short distance. I think I'l struggle to do 24 but I really have no idea.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 03:09:52 pm »
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With NO conditioning whatsoever...25mins? I know when I ran my first 5k I was right around the 20min mark (20:17 iirc?) but we ran lots of half miles in basketball conditioning.
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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 09:17:58 pm »
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24 minutes 33 seconds!@$

have fun with it.

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 12:41:09 pm »
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RESULTS:

Well here are the bets that have been placed so far:

16:25, 19, 20, 23, 24:33, 25, 27:41, 29, 32, 43:12 (a triathlete friend ...)





Official time: 21:38

3.10686 miles/5k

that clocks me at 6.96 minutes/mile

WOW i broke 7!

Fatigue details:
First 1/2 mile
-lower back started to get stiff, massaged it a bit while maintaining pace and it got a little better, tried to lean forward more instead of falling backwards at the torso
-stride felt nice though
-before the half-way mark, I stopped for my first time for a very short period of time, then proceeded to sprint faster
-stopped once more right before the 1/2 way point and then when I turned around the cones marking the half-way point I begin to sprint, letting my sprinter strides to the work.
-afterwards, I stopped a few more times, about 4-5 total in the race, the last pause was the longest, for perhaps a minute.
-limiting factor was most certainly the aerobic system, VO2 max. Although I didn't feel like I was breathing THAT hard, I've worked out at this intensity before, maintaining it for a while was tough. However, I DID NOT feel so winded that I was wheezing. In the past, before I started lifting heavy and training as hard as I do now, running would create this musical breathing pattern that I kind of got into the groove to. In swimming we learned stroke-stroke-breathe; I had a rhythm like that when I used to get really winded running, this is like 7+ years ago when i thought I needed to run to be fit. However, there was not marked breathing pattern, i was not breathing loudly, I just ouldn't keep going at ANY pace. Even an 8min/mile pace I would need to stop. In fact running a 24 without stopping would have been harder for me, i THINK.
-The legs weren't that fatigued, well there was some mild burn in my glutes for some reason, at least that means I am using good form, i've NEVER had that before from jogging, torso was more fatigued than legs. I sprinted the finish, and after the 1/2 way mark I did several slower sprints, taking longer strides, extending nicely at the knee.
-Last 800m: I had paused for about a minute as I had said earlier, several people passed me, including the girl who was to finish in first place for the ladies. I overtook them with my incredible strides, and sprinted almost all out at the end, letting the power in my legs built up from kettlbell swings, heavy squat doubles and deadlifts as well as sprint training at a 90-95% intensity do the work. It was beautiful.

I felt reallllly winded at the end for just about 30s, but after I felt great and could do some squats if my left knee didn't hurt. FOr some reason my left knee started to feel al ittle pain, but i didn't notice it until after the race. doing squats wouldn't be the most fun thing in the world. I could do boxing and lift weights right now for upperbody, so I feel great.

What did I learn? I don't know what i learned, but I observed that taking breaks helped me go faster. Continuing to run at a slow pace, would have imo further fatigued me cardiovascularly, and locally in the calves and leg muscles. This probably means i'm fast-twitch dominant right now, which makes a lot of sense since I do no slow-twich work. I think I could get my VO2 max up a little bit, and proceed to break 6 minutes next time, or aim for 6:30 and break the 20 minute mark, but I'd like to ideally break 18:38 which is about a 6 min/mile pace. I think that's pretty doable, becaue I probably took about 2 minutes in total of walking rest, so if i just cut that out and ocntinue at the same average pace while I was running i think I could do that. So maybe if I start incorporating some longer sprints, maybe 300-400m, i can become more fit overall.

WOW that was fun and I feel great after. maybe I'll start doing 200m repeats again, but not until I get sub 18 on my 150 repeats. Thanks for placing bets!!
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 03:20:56 pm »
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Damn!

I accidentally went to your other journal and saw the time before i came here.
 :uhhhfacepalm:
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: How fast am I going to run this 5k in two days without ever jogging?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 05:57:01 pm »
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good job man!

better than most of us expected hah.