Author Topic: hitting a pr did more bad than good? (Read 6207 times)

fast does lie · « **on:** March 10, 2013, 11:25:22 pm »

3 days ago, hit 9 x 265, 9 x 265, 10 x 265.... albeit bad form on last few reps. Also did some 1/4 supra max the last week. Now, I can't even do 5 x 265 without almost collapsing. What happened. I always recover pretty good in 3 days.

flyingthunder · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:40:18 am »

I guess your CNS is fucked up. CNS recovery takes over a week sometimes

LBSS · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:48:57 pm »

i think you get pinned too much, man. go read the anti-ego lifting thread.

Raptor · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2013, 05:18:25 am »

I never got pinned... ever. I never understood why you'd put yourself in that situation.

"Oh, it means you don't try hard enough". STFU

It means I'm smart enough to know when to stop and how to listen to my body. Why the heck would you try a rep when you feel 99% sure you're going to fail it? What would that rep DO for you and your training? Absolutely nothing. I don't get this pinned thing.

The closest I've been to a pin was during a 137.5x5 set, but that was just because I had a spotter. He helped me stabilize the weight at the half squat depth, I wouldn't have recovered back at the 5th rep without his help. Other than that, even when I did my max 160 kg squat PR I was pretty far away from getting pinned.

vag · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2013, 05:41:05 am »

So you have never truly maxed either, and that is the downside of never getting pinned, all your max efforts so far were buffered.
Never getting pinned is not something to brag about, and it doesn't make you smarter than those who got pinned as you claim. How don't you get "this pinned thing"? People just try out a new max and they fail it. If they really felt they would 99% fail, they would not try it. And that is coming from someone who has never been pinned either

Always (or even often) getting pinned though is plain stupid, in many aspects.

Raptor · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2013, 06:32:39 am »

I just don't get it. I mean you can "feel" if a weight is too heavy or not most of the time, and you can make a good judgement based on how your previous set's weight felt like.

So if my plan is to get a 160 kg squat PR and I barely lift up 140 in the set before my planned 160 kg PR set, then guess what - I won't try the 160 kg set. If I barely moved up 140 then why the heck would I risk the 160 one? And yes, it's still a big risk, safety pins or not.

Just use good judgement.

I understand getting pinned with a weight you've never tried before that seems like doable but who knows what can go wrong with that weight you have never tried before? (say your back is not strong enough despite knowing/feeling your legs being strong enough etc).

So I was totally expecting the possibility of getting pinned on my 160 kg squat attempt but other than that, good judgement always prevailed.

The same applies to benching without a spotter. I always stop 1-2 reps before failure, as soon as the last rep becomes slow. That's good for both safety and recovery/cns preservation.

Mikey · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2013, 06:56:56 am »

Your body probs just needs rest.

LBSS · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2013, 11:15:45 am »

Quote from: UAcompression on March 12, 2013, 07:10:55 am

Quote from: Raptor on March 12, 2013, 05:18:25 am
I never got pinned... ever. I never understood why you'd put yourself in that situation.

"Oh, it means you don't try hard enough". STFU

It means I'm smart enough to know when to stop and how to listen to my body. Why the heck would you try a rep when you feel 99% sure you're going to fail it? What would that rep DO for you and your training? Absolutely nothing. I don't get this pinned thing.

The closest I've been to a pin was during a 137.5x5 set, but that was just because I had a spotter. He helped me stabilize the weight at the half squat depth, I wouldn't have recovered back at the 5th rep without his help. Other than that, even when I did my max 160 kg squat PR I was pretty far away from getting pinned.

Lol is this post a joke? Because if it is it sure is hella funny. Hahah.

why would you think it's a joke?

Kingfish · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2013, 10:58:51 pm »

Quote from: vag on March 12, 2013, 05:41:05 am

So you have never truly maxed either, and that is the downside of never getting pinned, all your max efforts so far were buffered.
Never getting pinned is not something to brag about, and it doesn't make you smarter than those who got pinned as you claim. How don't you get "this pinned thing"? People just try out a new max and they fail it. If they really felt they would 99% fail, they would not try it. And that is coming from someone who has never been pinned either
Always (or even often) getting pinned though is plain stupid, in many aspects.

max weight PR is only one type of PR. IMO, for athletic carryover - a 6-8rep PR is more important.

i've been pinned plenty of times on my squats. BUT - i get pinned without really burning out my CNS or breaking anything.

paused squats really help here. that initial burst of momentum coming from the pause is either explosive enough to carry you all the way up, or too slow that at midway up, you have no choice but to just come back down again.

there is no point in fighting a 1RM weight. we are not powerlifters here that brag about max weight. that top set is just there so when you do your backoffs, everything is already firing nicely.

Dreyth · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2013, 12:06:20 am »

Quote from: Kingfish on March 12, 2013, 10:58:51 pm

that top set is just there so when you do your backoffs, everything is already firing nicely.

^^^^^

This is why I always work up to ~90% x 1 if I'm doing 5 rep work or lighter.

vag · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2013, 05:31:16 am »

Yeah, i agree, i was not supporting being pinned, neither do i find 1RM maxouts useful. It's not a coincidence that i've never maxed out singles or got pinned so far either. But it's understantable to try a 1RM sometimes. Maybe ego, maybe curiosity to see your estimated/real 1RM deviation, maybe to see how a block worked for you, whatever the reasons i am fine with them. But i am talking about spare testing, after a traning block or sth. To have them as a regular training element? As i said already, plain stupid in many aspects ( health aspect included first ).
More rep maxes e.g. 5RM are much more safe and ive done then a lot. You get the signs there, first reps are always easy and then each rep tells you what will happen on the next. If you grind and break your form at the 3d , heloooooo, just dont try the 4th.

Raptor · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2013, 07:30:58 am »

That's why I don't get at least getting pinned so often.

Raptor · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2013, 04:03:23 pm »

That doesn't make any sense.

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