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High frequency "unracking"
« on: April 02, 2011, 07:02:14 pm »
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I had this crazy idea come to my mind some few days ago: what if you're a guy who has his own squat rack/barbell to himself? Would unracking a 1RM+ barbell, holding it on your back for say 30 seconds, and racking it back, every day, for a few times per day, do anything?

I mean, it could trick your CNS into thinking you're heavier, just like a weight vest would. Now obviously there are a handful of questions arising (is there enough time under the bar to make this adaptation occur? is it too risky on the spine? etc) but I thought it was an interesting experiment to take if someone is willing to do it.

For example, if your squat 1RM is 300 lbs and you unrack a 350 lbs bar 10 times per day (throughout the day) for 30 s each time, you'd end up with 300s of total "unrack" TUT daily, so that' 2100 s each week of having a 1RM+ barbell on your back. That's 35 minutes of stimulation per week with a heavier barbell than usual. Not to mention the core strength benefits.

Again, it comes down to injury risk vs. reward possibility.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 07:14:32 pm »
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no

lol

just squat!

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 07:16:22 pm »
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I did not read, because you do not need to read shit like that.. I am an idiot and know there are no shortcuts..Just get the bar and squat with it, Fucking simple...

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 07:39:35 pm »
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I wasn't talking about any shortcut, I was talking about a POSSIBLE stimulating thing. Whether that's feasible or not is debatable, hence this topic.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 07:53:05 pm »
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wear a weight vest the whole day...jump at end
problem solved



p.s. I have no idea if this works/injury risks
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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2011, 01:23:05 am »
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I had this crazy idea come to my mind some few days ago: what if you're a guy who has his own squat rack/barbell to himself? Would unracking a 1RM+ barbell, holding it on your back for say 30 seconds, and racking it back, every day, for a few times per day, do anything?

I mean, it could trick your CNS into thinking you're heavier, just like a weight vest would. Now obviously there are a handful of questions arising (is there enough time under the bar to make this adaptation occur? is it too risky on the spine? etc) but I thought it was an interesting experiment to take if someone is willing to do it.

For example, if your squat 1RM is 300 lbs and you unrack a 350 lbs bar 10 times per day (throughout the day) for 30 s each time, you'd end up with 300s of total "unrack" TUT daily, so that' 2100 s each week of having a 1RM+ barbell on your back. That's 35 minutes of stimulation per week with a heavier barbell than usual. Not to mention the core strength benefits.

Again, it comes down to injury risk vs. reward possibility.


  Thats probably a little high frequency to do it, but Fred Hatfield used to do something similar at the end of every squat workout on his way to a 1000lb + squat.  He would put something like 110 percent 1rm on the bar, unrack, and hold for a brief period.  For squatting it helps build confidence with heavier weights and helps with the walk out, which can be a HUGE factor once you get up in weight, it also has some psychological benefits as your work weights will tend to not feel so heavy coming off the rack.
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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2011, 05:48:20 am »
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Yeah, Fred Hatfield was exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote this. I don't think anybody knows if this would work or not because nobody tried to high-frequency do it.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2011, 05:58:07 am »
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I did not read, because you do not need to read shit like that.. I am an idiot and know there are no shortcuts..Just get the bar and squat with it, Fucking simple...

Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2011, 10:57:31 am »
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  Thats probably a little high frequency to do it, but Fred Hatfield used to do something similar at the end of every squat workout on his way to a 1000lb + squat.  He would put something like 110 percent 1rm on the bar, unrack, and hold for a brief period.  For squatting it helps build confidence with heavier weights and helps with the walk out, which can be a HUGE factor once you get up in weight, it also has some psychological benefits as your work weights will tend to not feel so heavy coming off the rack.

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I've read stuff about lifters doing this sort of thing. It makes sense because 2.5x + BW is a ton of weight resting on your shoulders. Your skeletal system has to be able to support it safely, so you have to build up a tolerance to the weight. Also when on great lifting days, 315+ will feel like 135, and that is a huge psychological boost; even though I'm not stronger, I feel like I am. 

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2011, 02:05:08 pm »
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Just do some occassional half or quarter squat reps or workouts and itll have the same effect. Supramaximal supports or walkouts can be very hard on the body if you're not real careful.  The only time I can remember acutely injuring myself in the weight room was doing this workout from Poliquin about 14 years ago:

http://vuesdumonde.forumactif.com/t7998-heavy-supports

He says to use 200% 1rm but I think I was only using 135%. I cant imagine anyone using a legit 200%.  On one set the bar shifted ever so slightly out of place and I had to struggle a bit to get it back on the rack. I never felt anything wrong during the workout but later that night and the next day I was literally glued to the bed and couldnt move....Id evidently severely strained a ligament in my back.
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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 02:25:11 pm »
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Just do some occassional half or quarter squat reps or workouts and itll have the same effect. Supramaximal supports or walkouts can be very hard on the body if you're not real careful.  The only time I can remember acutely injuring myself in the weight room was doing this workout from Poliquin about 14 years ago:

http://vuesdumonde.forumactif.com/t7998-heavy-supports

He says to use 200% 1rm but I think I was only using 135%. I cant imagine anyone using a legit 200%.  On one set the bar shifted ever so slightly out of place and I had to struggle a bit to get it back on the rack. I never felt anything wrong during the workout but later that night and the next day I was literally glued to the bed and couldnt move....Id evidently severely strained a ligament in my back.

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 02:26:55 pm »
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I had this crazy idea come to my mind some few days ago: what if you're a guy who has his own squat rack/barbell to himself? Would unracking a 1RM+ barbell, holding it on your back for say 30 seconds, and racking it back, every day, for a few times per day, do anything?

I mean, it could trick your CNS into thinking you're heavier, just like a weight vest would. Now obviously there are a handful of questions arising (is there enough time under the bar to make this adaptation occur? is it too risky on the spine? etc) but I thought it was an interesting experiment to take if someone is willing to do it.

For example, if your squat 1RM is 300 lbs and you unrack a 350 lbs bar 10 times per day (throughout the day) for 30 s each time, you'd end up with 300s of total "unrack" TUT daily, so that' 2100 s each week of having a 1RM+ barbell on your back. That's 35 minutes of stimulation per week with a heavier barbell than usual. Not to mention the core strength benefits.

Again, it comes down to injury risk vs. reward possibility.

well, regardless of whether it tricks your cns into thinking you're heavier or not, dno, but, it would make you stronger in the quads/erectors if you phased it in/out properly, it would definitely make the bar feel lighter.. 10x/day is a bit much possibly, but who knows.. a walkout is not that cns intensive, holding it for time definitely is though.. so there's a variety of things you could do such as hold for time, unrack/walkout/walkback/re-rack, or unrack/rack quickly.

frequency would have to be adjusted based on how you feel, not sure how it would effect jumping, i'd imagine it would very up and down how it effects you... vmo's would probably get really big heh..

#1 thing would be safety, i'd only do it in a rack with high safeties..

you also need some good form gripping the bar, you can't do that if squatting bugs your shoulders in the least.

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edit: i like parts of the idea but not the holding for time part, and 10x/day could be too much.. but stuff like that should be effective.

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 02:27:13 pm »
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oh and yeah i dunno how much you should do it but i always thought walk outs with added weight was a good idea for potentiation

try it out man and elt us all know

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2011, 02:29:18 pm »
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you also need some good form gripping the bar, you can't do that if squatting bugs your shoulders in the least.

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i guess i wont try this then hahaha

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Re: High frequency "unracking"
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2011, 03:32:29 pm »
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I still don't get this VMO stuff. For a lot of time I thought the VMO is activated at the top of the squat movement (say 1/8 squat range). Then everybody was talking about how the VMO is actually activated with deep squats. Now, you (Andrew) say it would be stimulated by unracking, so that's the opposite of deep squatting. Not sure what to believe anymore.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps