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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2010, 02:23:53 am »
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sorry to be a nagging little bitch darq but, becuase ill only be playing muck around games on a thurday and a friday do u think i could do 2 lifting days and 2 exlosive days, lyk

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2010, 06:04:12 am »
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well, for now i would do something more along the lines of what you were originally planning (with the modifications), with basketball/jumping on mon/fri.. i personally wouldn't do pure plyo days right now, work on building strength, as much as possible for the next month at least.

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2010, 06:41:41 am »
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alright, ill work on that as a 4ish week block to bring up strength levels (unilateral) then something else might be done, cheers.
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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2010, 06:58:25 am »
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I prefer walking lunges over bss, but both are good.


Mate you are not the only one who thinks this. I am with you all the way. I love unleashing the walking lunges. Have you tried them up hill yet?

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2010, 10:50:09 am »
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THe hamstrings are definitely absorbing high forces, before the quads and glutes take the body off the floor and into the air. I don't think you need to isolate them either since exercises that are training the glutes and quads are training the hamstrings the way they operate in a vertical jump. But for 1 footed vj the hamstrings do contract during the jump so that's different.

anyway here's a [http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20[PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE]&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22]study[http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20[PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE]&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22] you should all read, except I can't find the full text forfree and I'm broke right now




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http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22

http://www4.infotrieve.com/newmedline/detail.asp?NameID=8947398%20PubMed%20-%20indexed%20for%20MEDLINE&Session=&searchQuery=plyometric&count=22
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 02:27:52 pm by adarqui »
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2010, 02:25:57 pm »
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I prefer walking lunges over bss, but both are good.


Mate you are not the only one who thinks this. I am with you all the way. I love unleashing the walking lunges. Have you tried them up hill yet?

Jack

I have yet to try it, i'd have to goto a parking garage to do it, no hills in florida :) Parking garages are monitored by security etc, so i'm screwed there. If I was still at MSC I definitely would incorporate uphill lunges and uphill bounds, they had the perfect parking garage ramp for it.

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2010, 03:23:13 pm »
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whoops my, b. Anyway the the study found that hamstring power output increased, man I wish I had the full text though, read the abstract people!
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2010, 03:38:26 pm »
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whoops my, b. Anyway the the study found that hamstring power output increased, man I wish I had the full text though, read the abstract people!

definitely would like to see the full text, to get a look at the training.. someone i know may be able to access it, when he's online ill give him the url and when he goes to uni maybe he can check it out for us.

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2010, 06:22:52 am »
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make sure if your doing step ups to try to not use the opposite leg..also try bulgarian split squats they are killer

ya, dorsiflex the foot on the ground hard, that'll diminish (somewhat, not completely) toe'n off on that leg. I don't like momentum on that either.

I prefer walking lunges over bss, but both are good.

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cool set up adarq, you should make a more detailed version in your performance log, something similar to the jackm split post maybe? IDk just a thought

ya i need to drop a blog post, havn't done one in a while.

Why prefer the walking lunge over bss adarqui? I've done both but have probably dedicated more time to progressing on the BSS. I'd say the walking lunge is definitely safer than a barbell bss (balance can be an issue for some). I know it's probably minutiae, just interested.
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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 04:20:39 pm »
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make sure if your doing step ups to try to not use the opposite leg..also try bulgarian split squats they are killer

ya, dorsiflex the foot on the ground hard, that'll diminish (somewhat, not completely) toe'n off on that leg. I don't like momentum on that either.

I prefer walking lunges over bss, but both are good.

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cool set up adarq, you should make a more detailed version in your performance log, something similar to the jackm split post maybe? IDk just a thought

ya i need to drop a blog post, havn't done one in a while.

Why prefer the walking lunge over bss adarqui? I've done both but have probably dedicated more time to progressing on the BSS. I'd say the walking lunge is definitely safer than a barbell bss (balance can be an issue for some). I know it's probably minutiae, just interested.

a few reasons why I prefer walking lunges:
- the forward travel instead of vertical with bss
- the "ADA" component, there is a "drop" when you reach out with the front leg and land in a lower ROM, this causes a greater recruitment of mu's once you hit the ground..
- the ability to drive the back leg up when going into the next lunge
- stability/form is more natural than bss

that's pretty much all I can think of right now.. those are my most important reasons.

peace man

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Re: Hamstrings in VJ
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2010, 10:29:21 pm »
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Lunges stepping forward and walking lunges hit the glutes alot harder than bss do for me.  Lunges stepping back get my quads real well but stepping forward or walking and my glutes are sore as hell the next day.
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