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scoobychau

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Review after Jump approach pratice
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:42:08 pm »
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I am jumping and de-loading my Cal this weeks ;)

Finished Jumpsole and nearly made 2x body weight para squat.
I am practicing jump every second day now.  I try to shoot like 10 jump shots, then attempt to jump 2-3 time in that cycle for 40 min daily.

Video cap from last session:
http://vimeo.com/39051703

I know the theory to jump high are:
- During recoil, go down fast (but not too much) and rebound up
- The last 2 steps must be fast (2 foot approach)
- Master the ability to carry horizontal force, stop it at a penny and redirect it upward.

After jumping for 3 sessions, I notice the following:
- it is hard to maintain control  with high approach speed
- If I try to slow down, mid way, my approach is not smooth and it just useless, (try to be smooth instead of too fast)
- My best jump come from planting my first jump foot (left), and letting my 2nd jump foot land by gravity force and then explode up.  Most of the jumping power is coming from the left foot.

Area for improvement / Target:
Reviewed a few adarq dunk video, who is also LR planted.  I had set this as my short terms goal.  
- Instead of letting the body/2nd leg drop by gravity in the last step, try to pull myself down with force and rebound.
- Limit the range of motion in the downward phase might be a good idea.
- Increase the arm swing power!
- others feedback i hope to get from adarq.org....


 :ibjumping: Continue....
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 05:38:02 am by scoobychau »
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Reach 7'5" (89")
2 legs leap 28"@06, 33"@11, 34.5"@2012, 37"@2013
Ankle Surgery - Dec 14, 07
Dunk Goal - Nov 11, 2012 (Daughter's 1 yrs old Bdays)

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 03:44:01 am »
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More finding testing:

Today I had tried:
- hop stop Jump
- L R plant with Left leg landing on the heel to toe
- L R plant focus on the balls of the feet without heel touching the ground
- close range 4 step approach, L R running, L R jumping

Basically, ALL of the Above jumping technique result in near the same vertical power.   >:(

I did find out something today, in my LR plant, I feel like I can jump better if i plant my last foot (being R) at an angle toward inside.    This way I feel like I can Stop myself better and redirect the force upward.

However, most of my jump is very close to the rim, I am not sure if this is a good thing...

Video Cap from today:
http://vimeo.com/39181579
BIY - believe in yourself
Born 1980
190 lbs
Reach 7'5" (89")
2 legs leap 28"@06, 33"@11, 34.5"@2012, 37"@2013
Ankle Surgery - Dec 14, 07
Dunk Goal - Nov 11, 2012 (Daughter's 1 yrs old Bdays)

~SACRIFICE~
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU'VE NEVER HAD...
YOU MUST BE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING
YOU'VE NEVER DONE! (by Thomas Jefferson)

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 06:43:18 am »
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- L R plant focus on the balls of the feet without heel touching the ground

Don't ever do this again. And focus on lowering your bodyfat and nothing else.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 01:22:19 pm »
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why does everyone keep mentioning his bodyfat?  Looking at the video he looks pretty lean, I'd definitely guess he's < 10%

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 02:39:43 pm »
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He said it himself that he's at ~20%
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 02:55:37 pm »
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^ That's what i remembered too but i just checked , it was you that said "He's probably at 20%" and he said "raptor is right , i should lose some fat". Another scooby riddle , did he confirm the number or just the need to cut? I think the latter.
Judging from the video he doesn't look 20 or 10 , id say 14 to 15.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 03:06:17 pm »
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I should write again and say "he's still at 60% bodyfat, he needs to lose some" and see what he responds. If he says I'm right again, then he's not at 20%

 ;D
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 10:11:07 pm »
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I put on my Running shoes yesterday and ran 30 min with 4.43km..
Got home, shower and weight myself.

and the Electronic scale shows 188.6lbs  at 19.8% BF   :uhhhfacepalm:

from what I read, in order to burn fat, cardio must be done over 20-25 min.  
but I also read that, endurance running change ur muscle turning it to slow fiber which sucks up vertical power.

As a result, I will limit myself into 30 min per running session, may be I should aim for increase the distance/intensity within the 30 min time frame for fat burning purpose.

Not sure if that is the right way...
« Last Edit: March 26, 2012, 10:56:21 pm by scoobychau »
BIY - believe in yourself
Born 1980
190 lbs
Reach 7'5" (89")
2 legs leap 28"@06, 33"@11, 34.5"@2012, 37"@2013
Ankle Surgery - Dec 14, 07
Dunk Goal - Nov 11, 2012 (Daughter's 1 yrs old Bdays)

~SACRIFICE~
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU'VE NEVER HAD...
YOU MUST BE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING
YOU'VE NEVER DONE! (by Thomas Jefferson)

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 10:58:32 pm »
+1

and the Electronic scale shows 188.6lbs  at 19.8% BF   :uhhhfacepalm:




  Google "validity and reliability of bioelectrical impedence".
Relax.

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 11:44:17 pm »
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I put on my Running shoes yesterday and ran 30 min with 4.43km..
Got home, shower and weight myself.

and the Electronic scale shows 188.6lbs  at 19.8% BF   :uhhhfacepalm:

from what I read, in order to burn fat, cardio must be done over 20-25 min.  
but I also read that, endurance running change ur muscle turning it to slow fiber which sucks up vertical power.

As a result, I will limit myself into 30 min per running session, may be I should aim for increase the distance/intensity within the 30 min time frame for fat burning purpose.

Not sure if that is the right way...

You should definitely stick with running for a few weeks at least. Not being able to do 3 miles in 30 minutes is very bad and definitely means you are not in shape at all. Get down to running 3 miles in ~24 minutes and you should feel much better and jump higher

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2012, 04:24:03 am »
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If he's not in shape, then that doesn't bode well for me getting really tired after half a mile. ;D
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 11:42:38 am »
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If he's not in shape, then that doesn't bode well for me getting really tired after half a mile. ;D

well then you are definitely not in shape as well. 3 miles in 24 minutes isn't that fast or that hard, definitely won't turn you into a slow-twitch machine, Kelly Baggett has even said this. Stuggling to do 3 miles in 30 is just plain bad.

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 01:57:14 pm »
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I don't know what "being in shape" means anyway. It's just an expression people use to describe you getting tired easly or something. But what defines someone as "being in shape"? Doing what?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 02:28:26 pm »
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I would define being in shape as having a decent amount of cardiorespiratory endurance. In terms of distance-time, I would categorize decent-good shape as ~3:00 800m (1/2 mile), ~6:30 Mile, ~14:30 2 Miles, ~24:00 3 Miles. These are all levels of cardiorespiratory fitness anyone can attain, provided they aren't overweight. If you can do these, I would say you are in pretty good shape. Definitely not good for an endurance athlete, but for basketball, general health ect. Working on getting to this level of fitness will not have any negative impact on vertical/ power output, in fact it could help condition the tendons for more explosive work.

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Re: First review after 3 session of Jump approach pratice
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2012, 02:36:33 pm »
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Yeah I know what you mean. Well, I'll time my 800m when I get to the track but I have a feeling that it will be a major dissapointment ;D
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps