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Re: Eccentric-less Training
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2010, 03:44:35 pm »
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That makes me think of construction workers and their muscles. They basically lift things every day, have a pretty big "rest" time in between "reps" and they are BIG.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Eccentric-less Training
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2010, 04:21:44 am »
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Also, I think eccentric-less training is more natural and designed for our bodies, so perhaps better. Just a thought with no evidence, I wonder what everyone thinks.

more natural? there's absolutely nothing more "natural" than impacts. Reduce the impacts one experiences and the body will break down and deteriorate. Walking, jogging, sprinting, jumping, etc all cause the body to experience major eccentric forces, this is where all of the adaptations take place. You simply CANNOT go through life without considerable exposure to high eccentric forces, if you did, your bone mass, muscle mass, everything, would just disappear. Take an astronaut for example, that's an "eccentric-less environment", they have to simulate eccentric activity and use band tension to try and maintain strength, bone density, and lean mass... If they don't, they just fall apart and turn into piles of mush. Look at what happens to sedentary people, they turn to mush as well.

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Re: Eccentric-less Training
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 04:25:19 am »
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That makes me think of construction workers and their muscles. They basically lift things every day, have a pretty big "rest" time in between "reps" and they are BIG.

besides the fact that they get in significant isometric, concentric, and eccentric training per day, their diet is usually very adequate in calories, as many of them drink a good amount of beer and eat a good amount of "junk". There's not many "vege" construction workers, or ectomorphs for that matter, those people are usually pretty tough (meso, which the job pretty much requires) and eat big.

It's the same reason you don't usually see NFL types in the nba, the nature of the "job" dictates who works there.

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Re: Eccentric-less Training
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 04:32:50 am »
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That makes me think of construction workers and their muscles. They basically lift things every day, have a pretty big "rest" time in between "reps" and they are BIG.

besides the fact that they get in significant isometric, concentric, and eccentric training per day, their diet is usually very adequate in calories, as many of them drink a good amount of beer and eat a good amount of "junk". There's not many "vege" construction workers, or ectomorphs for that matter, those people are usually pretty tough (meso, which the job pretty much requires) and eat big.

It's the same reason you don't usually see NFL types in the nba, the nature of the "job" dictates who works there.

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Yeah exactly. That's why o-lifters are short as well. They're not short because they haven't grown anymore since they lift a lot and all that crap, but they are short because that body structure is efficient for that sport and short o-lifters are better than tall o-lifters so you see more short o-lifters at the elite levels since they are advantaged.

And I liked that astronaut example a lot. I was preparing to reply with that but you took it before me. :strong:
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Eccentric-less Training
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 04:51:25 am »
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That makes me think of construction workers and their muscles. They basically lift things every day, have a pretty big "rest" time in between "reps" and they are BIG.

besides the fact that they get in significant isometric, concentric, and eccentric training per day, their diet is usually very adequate in calories, as many of them drink a good amount of beer and eat a good amount of "junk". There's not many "vege" construction workers, or ectomorphs for that matter, those people are usually pretty tough (meso, which the job pretty much requires) and eat big.

It's the same reason you don't usually see NFL types in the nba, the nature of the "job" dictates who works there.

peace

Yeah exactly. That's why o-lifters are short as well. They're not short because they haven't grown anymore since they lift a lot and all that crap, but they are short because that body structure is efficient for that sport and short o-lifters are better than tall o-lifters so you see more short o-lifters at the elite levels since they are advantaged.

And I liked that astronaut example a lot. I was preparing to reply with that but you took it before me. :strong:

LIKE USUAL, I WIN, U LOSE..

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good point btw, imagine kevin durant going into a gym with dreams to be an 'olympic lifter', aint happenin`..

the same point can be made for, "OMG BRO, THOSE OLY LIFTERS, THEY ALL JUMP SO HIGH CAUSE OF OLY LIFTING", and here we are looking at elite oly lifter data.... well, oly lifting and improving strength does help their jumping, but those guys have great leverages for strength and are already good at producing great amounts of force very fast, thus the reason why they are oly lifters.

what came first, the chicken, the egg, or my peanutbutter burrito.

we will never know.