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PointerRyan

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Hey people. Well after monday's workout, which consisted of squat, rdl and leg press, i was wondering what is the relation between squats and deadlifts. I remember how a 1.5xsquat can be replaced with 3x leg press. So the depth i did on the leg press, was lesser than my not consistent parallel squat, but even so i could only do 120kg twice , could've probably done 130kg for once but failed on 140kg anyways. Now since the leg press weight used standard is twice of squats,  with my squats being 90kg  for 6plus reps, my leg press is only at most 130kg. Seeing how  my quads dont as much work as my back and glute,and my leg press, which is a leg dominant(probably quad), is much lower refering to my legpress to squat ratio, and feeling the quads while doing legpress, was thinking maybe my weaknesses or strength can be evaluated.  Looking at my legs itself, it's neither big or sticklike thin, and not that muscular, i was thinking my legs are weak enough that it's holding my squats back? Thoughts on this.

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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 02:51:01 am »
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You ask even more retarded questions (and more frequently) than I did when I was new to training.

3xBW leg press = 1.5xBW squat?  WTF, erase that BS out of your mind right now.  Also, just take leg presses out of your training routine.  I'm serious, take it out.  You do squats and RDL's for legs?  Perfect combination, no need for leg presses at all.

You think your legs are weak cause of your leg press numbers and it's holding your squat back?  How about, strengthen your legs with squats?  Whatever the weak link is, your squat will work it...  

Leg presses are leg dominant?  You don't say?!

Relation between squat and deadlift?  What are you even asking?  How much higher should one be than the other?  It'll be different for everyone.  Usually DL is higher though.



Don't get offended by my jackassness, but seriously this was retarded.  Take out leg press, be consistent with the depth of your squats and keep squatting.  Keep doing RDL's.  Simple.  Stop over-analyzing and get your rdl and squat numbers up, BY SQUATTING AND RDLing.  NOT BY leg pressing.

It's a good thing to ask questions, but this one, I seriously had to .
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 02:53:17 am by D4 »
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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 04:55:40 am »
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You ask even more retarded questions (and more frequently) than I did when I was new to training.

3xBW leg press = 1.5xBW squat?  WTF, erase that BS out of your mind right now.  Also, just take leg presses out of your training routine.  I'm serious, take it out.  You do squats and RDL's for legs?  Perfect combination, no need for leg presses at all.

You think your legs are weak cause of your leg press numbers and it's holding your squat back?  How about, strengthen your legs with squats?  Whatever the weak link is, your squat will work it... 

Leg presses are leg dominant?  You don't say?!

Relation between squat and deadlift?  What are you even asking?  How much higher should one be than the other?  It'll be different for everyone.  Usually DL is higher though.



Don't get offended by my jackassness, but seriously this was retarded.  Take out leg press, be consistent with the depth of your squats and keep squatting.  Keep doing RDL's.  Simple.  Stop over-analyzing and get your rdl and squat numbers up, BY SQUATTING AND RDLing.  NOT BY leg pressing.

It's a good thing to ask questions, but this one, I seriously had to .

hey sorry but just in case u got it wrong, I Don't do leg presses, except for tht one day when  i was trying jsut to see how much weights i can press. Not planning on incorporating it into my workout, but about the 3xbw =1.5 thing, i remember reading somewhere about how if so happen you CANT get access to or do squats for some legit reason, but can do leg presses, it should be 3xbw to be safe to say ur squats is 1.5bw ( as recommended to be that strong before doing plyos) . thats the whole reason i brought it up.

a nd not saying weak leg presses is holding back my squat, rather was thinking of using it to possibly see your weaknesses and do the assistance exercise that could help strengthen the weakness. like my quads could be really weak, intead of doing RDL only, i could do lunges which would involve more quad work but not neglecting glutes, and do RDL too or eliminate it.

thats my point.
soryr if my question sounds retarded but if it could even be considerde as a nalternating t o a 1.5bw squat when  there is no choice and people can still get result , then whats wrong with it? besides, a two leg jumper could be quad dominant and jump as high those glute dominant, and thats wht  got be me wondering if this works

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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2012, 06:07:48 am »
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I'd rather be glute dominant than quad dominant, tbh. Which I am, I think, after several months of one leg parallel box squats.

At any rate, just get your squat numbers up. If you're squatting 400 and have good reactivity, chances are you're gonna get up. Get the numbers up, jump and sprint, recover, and progress.

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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 02:46:51 pm »
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I'd rather be glute dominant than quad dominant, tbh. Which I am, I think, after several months of one leg parallel box squats.

At any rate, just get your squat numbers up. If you're squatting 400 and have good reactivity, chances are you're gonna get up. Get the numbers up, jump and sprint, recover, and progress.

This is true.  Just get your squat up, and have a p-chain dominant exercise.  If your squats are at least parallel, then this routine of squats and RDL's is just fine for you right now.  You can start targeting your weaknesses LATER, with more specificity when you are a lot more advanced and stronger.  Just doing at least parallel squats and RDL's will straighten out any imbalances/weaknesses you have right now.  Stop over analyzing and get stronger.
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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 11:30:53 pm »
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Also PointerRyan, on top of everything I said, that theory is so bullshit.  1.5 = 3x thing.  Before I ever squatted, I was leg pressing like 500+ lbs at 150lb BW.  After a couple of weeks learning the squat movement, I struggled with full squatting my own bodyweight...  Just cuz u read it somewhere, don't mean it's true, especially one as retarded as that one.  Your leg pressing numbers ain't telling you shit, so just get your squat and RDL up.
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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 01:55:02 am »
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 man thought i had a problem since  my leg press sucks this bad. But well then i guess question answer. Squat's the shit. Thanks for the answer guys.gonna continue my 3x8reps squat. Better form and  a much better bar speed compared to 5 reps squating hate 5 man. Btw am i suppose to be really feeling it at the back during rdl? Gotta feeling my glutes isn't getting as much as it should from rdl.

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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 02:09:34 am »
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 Why do you have 1 million fucking threads about exercises and exercise technique and not ONE DAMNED VIDEO OF YOU DOING A LIFT?
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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 04:37:33 am »
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 Why do you have 1 million fucking threads about exercises and exercise technique and not ONE DAMNED VIDEO OF YOU DOING A LIFT?

I would, if i have the accessories needed. but ill try to get a friend who has a camera or any phoen with camera to upload it online.

If i'dh ave a cam or something i"d have posted a dozen videos by now.

well noted about that will do my best .

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Re: Determining what to work on in squat based on squat and leg press
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 05:18:30 am »
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We'd love to see you leg press
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps