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Changing focus - but to what
« on: April 24, 2012, 03:30:48 am »
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Hi guys. Need your  infinite wisdom.

Ive thrown the hammer for nearly 13 years now and even though I love to throw the hammer, its time for change. So either by the end of june or medio september, I want to mix things up.

I need your help, because I have a hard time deciding what to do now and a new view on things might help.

Ive considered the following:

1) Train for decathlon. Focus will be on sprinting and jumping. Ill need to loose ~20kg of bw and try to keep my strength as much as possible.

2) Change to powerlifting for a while and build more strength. Slowly cut fat and jump/spring on the side.

I really like to jump and would like to do the decathlon. To do this I really need to loose weight as its to damn hard on my joints to jump and run at my current bw.

I also really like to lift and I think I have a chance to set a danish record in powerlifting and maybe go to an international championship. But this would force me to remain heavy.

Whats you view on this. Do you see a solution I dont or have an amazing idea. Feel free to share it.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 09:46:46 am »
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CHASE POWERLIFTING RECORD. you'll probably never be an olympic decathlete, but having a chance to set a national record is too good to pass up. give it a year and then re-assess.

then, decathlon.

for the fats:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/a-guide-to-flexible-dieting
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 01:06:35 pm »
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Thanks for your reply man. Appriciate your thoughts and the links to the books. Will take a look at them.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 02:44:54 pm »
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Powerlifting!

You have the chance to set a record?!?!

Do it man.
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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 05:02:19 pm »
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Powerlifting!

You have the chance to set a record?!?!

Do it man.

Yeah Im fairly close to the national record in DL for my weightclass. If I focus my training on gaining strength rather than throwing, I think I can take it.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2012, 02:44:29 am »
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60+ reads and two comments. Does this mean everyone agrees on powerlifting?

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2012, 04:16:40 am »
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60+ reads and two comments. Does this mean everyone agrees on powerlifting?

Yup. You're a beast man, see how beastly you can be as a pure powerlifter.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2012, 04:38:28 am »
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What about World's Strongest Men? I had a very fat guy who bragged around for deadlifting 240 kg with pretty bad form... and I think relatively he was just deadlifting 2x. And he bragged around for participating int he local World's Strongest Men competition. They FIRST thought that came to my mind was "damn, Flander would kick this guy's ass any second and you don't see him brag about being "World's Strongest".

So... who knows, right?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 04:51:13 am »
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What about World's Strongest Men? I had a very fat guy who bragged around for deadlifting 240 kg with pretty bad form... and I think relatively he was just deadlifting 2x. And he bragged around for participating int he local World's Strongest Men competition. They FIRST thought that came to my mind was "damn, Flander would kick this guy's ass any second and you don't see him brag about being "World's Strongest".

So... who knows, right?

Theyre absolute beasts in WSM. Most have 380+ kg DL. Wont get to that ever.

60+ reads and two comments. Does this mean everyone agrees on powerlifting?

Yup. You're a beast man, see how beastly you can be as a pure powerlifter.

Thanks man.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 01:31:12 pm »
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Powelifting, definitely.

If you had to choose between the two, try powelifting first, then do decathlon.
Much easier transition and you won't have to regain all that muscle you're going to have to lose if you would choose decathlon first.

Go get it!

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 01:50:13 pm »
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Hey Flander,

From my perspective those two options couldn't be more different, so it really depends on what you value most.  I've always thought that decathletes are the best overall athletes.  They do so many things at close to elite levels, and could probably be put into just about any physical/athletic situation and come out on top.  Personally, these guys are closest to the physical ideal.  But if you have a chance to be elite at something, than that factors in independently.  I've never been in a situation where I had a chance to be the cream of the crop at something, so I can't speak to how important and motivating that is. 

I understand why everyone is urging you towards powerlifting here, going for glory and all that, but even though you might not reach the same pinnacle of sport in decathlon, the training would probably set you up to be a much better athlete for a long time (if that is what is important to you.)  The training would also be more varied, and possibly more fun, depending on what you like.

A little bit obvious I'm sure, but that's my two cents.  Decathletes are badass.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 03:18:15 pm »
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If it were me it would easily be the decathlon just because your window of opportunity is much wider in powerlifting than it is as a decathlete.  Depending on your competition (I assume you'll primarily be local), you can be a competitive powerlifter well into your 40s or 50s,  but competitive in the decathlon only until maybe your mid 30s.  I think you're 29 now so if you choose powerlifting and regret it in 2 years, your decathlete option is pretty much out the window as it would take you a while to drop the additional weight and develop the skills.  If you choose the decathlon and want to switch in 2 years, you still have 10-15 years to become a solid powerlifter. 

I also wouldn't overlook the health and quality of life benefits from dropping 20kg from your frame even if for only a few years.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2012, 03:25:44 am »
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Thanks all. Appreciate all you opinions. Youve voiced most of my own thoughts. Ill have to think this over. Either way, Ill continue with the hammer untill at least june, so have some time yet.

What I boil your and my thoughts down to is the following:

If I want reknown, the way to go is powerlifting. I dont stand a chance in decathlon nationally nor internationally.

For better health and a more comfortable body, I should loose weight. If youve never tried to be heavy, let me tell you, its hard. Sore joints and getting winded faster. Hurts to run or jump, ei. play ball.

If I wanted to become the strongest I could, powerlifting is the way.

As someone wrote, powerlifting I can do for years to come. To succeed just a little bit in decathlon I need to get a move on since Im already 29.

And more. My gf has a view as well, no wonder.

Thanks again all.

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2012, 11:27:20 am »
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What about male pole dancing?

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Re: Changing focus - but to what
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2012, 03:48:33 pm »
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What about male pole dancing?

Its "pole vaulting" and yeah, I think its part of the decathlon.. so good point.   :P