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Re: Calfs
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2011, 04:17:03 am »
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I think the calves get enough work if you do any jump squats, box squats, or high intensity jumping.

If you want extra work, I'd lean more towards hill sprints and sled drags/pulls than calf raises.

what's the difference between the calves & glutes, in regards to requiring barbell training to get stronger?

for example, if calves don't need heavy tension, then why do glutes, hamstrings, or quads, but not calves?

also, calves get enough work in a box squat?

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I think the calves get enough work if you do any jump squats, box squats, or high intensity jumping.

If you want extra work, I'd lean more towards hill sprints and sled drags/pulls than calf raises.

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To me, my left calf, especially the lateral head, is VASTLY developed vs my right calf, because of all the jumps off my left leg vs. none off my right leg.

same question as above and..

what is your point by this statement? my left vmo is bigger than my right, my right thigh is bigger than my left, this indicates i get enough 'adaptations' simply from jumping? because that's why the size difference occurs..... from jumping over the years, the way i do.















everyone who reads this thread, please, do direct calves training if your goal is jumping higher or sprinting faster.. if you're doing direct training for other muscle groups, then why not calves? just use logic. if all of your "heavy tension exercises" (squat, lunge, stepup, ghr, reverse hyper, etc) do not maximally tax the calves via tension, then why would you not want to implement something that targets them directly?




KELLY, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE AN ARTICLE SAYING HOW CALVES TRAINING IS IMPORTANT, AND THAT YOU SHOULD TARGET THEM DIRECTLY WITH HEAVY TENSION AS WELL OF COURSE WITH JUMPS/REBOUNDS.. PEOPLE KEEP USING THE "WELL HOW HIGH DO YOU GET IF YOU JUMP WITH JUST YOUR ANKLES" STATEMENT ETC AND JUST GOING APESHIT WITH IT. HERE IS THE ARTICLE:

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Title: Weighted calve training is important

Calve training is important, they are no different than the glutes, hamstrings, quads, or any other muscle. Target them with rebounds, sprints, and jumps, but also do not neglect heavy tension to spur on extra strength gains, for example:

Strict Barbell calf raises, forefoot on block (0.5-1inch), 5 x 20.

Because when it's all said and done, horsepower is horsepower. As an example, an athlete who can strict standing calve raise 2+xBW for reps will have far more potential than if he can only strict standing calve raise 1xBW for reps.

Take care,

Kelly B.




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Re: Calfs
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2011, 01:08:51 pm »
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So how many times per week should one train calves? Can they be trained more frequently than glutes, quads, hamstrings..

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Re: Calfs
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 02:44:19 pm »
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So how many times per week should one train calves? Can they be trained more frequently than glutes, quads, hamstrings..

 The thing about training frequency is it is dependent on volume, recovery, intensity, etc, so technically you COULD train glutes, quads, hams, calves, every day, and many athletes do.  As a basic rule of thumb you should train calves at least twice a week, they recover pretty quickly especially if youre not in season and playing a lot of basketball/jumping a ton/etc. 
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Re: Calfs
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2011, 02:53:57 pm »
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everyone who reads this thread, please, do direct calves training if your goal is jumping higher or sprinting faster.. if you're doing direct training for other muscle groups, then why not calves? just use logic. if all of your "heavy tension exercises" (squat, lunge, stepup, ghr, reverse hyper, etc) do not maximally tax the calves via tension, then why would you not want to implement something that targets them directly?

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  I think what happened is the products like strength shoes, jump soles, etc. etc. all focused on ONLY the lower leg so a lot of time went into explaining the importance of training the upper leg and the baby got thrown out with the bath water.  Now what you have online is a bunch of people parroting each other when they have no idea if what they are talking about is correct or not.  In the bbing.com thread one of the members is quoting a bill star article, ironically, bill star was a big proponent of calf training for VERTICAL JUMPING, using more volume for the lower leg than 99% of the other authors Ive seen.

  But yes, the calves and lower leg complex are EXTREMELY important for athletes, and you will only get so far training one end of the spectrum (the maximum velocity side).  Train both sides at the very end (max strength and max v) and everything in the middle goes up as well.
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Re: Calfs
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2011, 04:01:08 pm »
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everyone who reads this thread, please, do direct calves training if your goal is jumping higher or sprinting faster.. if you're doing direct training for other muscle groups, then why not calves? just use logic. if all of your "heavy tension exercises" (squat, lunge, stepup, ghr, reverse hyper, etc) do not maximally tax the calves via tension, then why would you not want to implement something that targets them directly?

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  I think what happened is the products like strength shoes, jump soles, etc. etc. all focused on ONLY the lower leg so a lot of time went into explaining the importance of training the upper leg and the baby got thrown out with the bath water.  Now what you have online is a bunch of people parroting each other when they have no idea if what they are talking about is correct or not.  In the bbing.com thread one of the members is quoting a bill star article, ironically, bill star was a big proponent of calf training for VERTICAL JUMPING, using more volume for the lower leg than 99% of the other authors Ive seen.

  But yes, the calves and lower leg complex are EXTREMELY important for athletes, and you will only get so far training one end of the spectrum (the maximum velocity side).  Train both sides at the very end (max strength and max v) and everything in the middle goes up as well.


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Re: Calfs
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2011, 04:27:26 pm »
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lance how do you prefer to train calves for max strength?

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Re: Calfs
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2011, 05:51:24 pm »
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I guess we moved past it but I think the proper response the "How high would you jump with just your ankles?" should be this question:

"How high would you jump without your feet?" 

I'm just sayin, if your calves can translate the force from the rest of the body through your feet and into the ground then it really doesn't matter how strong your quads or hams are.  (Obviously a person with super strong calves and tiny little upper legs is going to be much good either).  It's a team effort.  There's no "I" in hamstr..., wait, there's no "I" in Quadr...., crap.

THERE'S NO I IN LEGS!  :strong:

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Re: Calfs
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2011, 06:49:50 pm »
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I guess we moved past it but I think the proper response the "How high would you jump with just your ankles?" should be this question:

"How high would you jump without your feet?" 

I'm just sayin, if your calves can translate the force from the rest of the body through your feet and into the ground then it really doesn't matter how strong your quads or hams are.  (Obviously a person with super strong calves and tiny little upper legs is going to be much good either).  It's a team effort.  There's no "I" in hamstr..., wait, there's no "I" in Quadr...., crap.

THERE'S NO I IN LEGS!  :strong:

lmao nice post


ya, "how high would u jump if you only jumped using pure knee extension", "how high would you jump if you only jump using pure knee flexion", "how high would you jump using only pure hip extension", all are completely moronic rhetorical questions which make no sense.

together, everyone achieves more.

TEAM TEAM TEAM.

don't put calves on the bench folks, they are a key player.

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Re: Calfs
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2011, 07:14:38 pm »
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Yeah, the same thing can be applied to a kneeling jump.

This makes me remember what Axel said on TVS some two years ago.

Quote from: Axel
Try to hit yourself in the balls with a hammer. Then jump. You won't get very high.

So obvisously, the balls are very important to jumping.
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Re: Calfs
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2011, 08:14:20 pm »
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axel might have borrowed that from James smith on elitefts..or vice versa

or maybe axel=JS


but yea people love to classify calfs as the devil

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Re: Calfs
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2011, 08:39:31 pm »
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in my eyes

calves= connection of quad/hamstring power to jumping height meaning that with weak calves, you wont be able to utilize all the power of your main jumping muscles....


...just sayin 


EDIT: caught up on thread and realized I re stated everything in one sentence :\
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Re: Calfs
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2011, 09:32:45 pm »
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THERE'S NO I IN LEGS!  :strong:

The spanish word for leg, la pierna, has an i
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Re: Calfs
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2011, 10:50:56 pm »
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lance how do you prefer to train calves for max strength?


 Standing calf raises for sets anywhere between 10-20 reps, seated calf raises (if applicable) for sets of 15-25 reps.
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Re: Calfs
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2011, 10:59:22 pm »
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I guess we moved past it but I think the proper response the "How high would you jump with just your ankles?" should be this question:

"How high would you jump without your feet?" 

I'm just sayin, if your calves can translate the force from the rest of the body through your feet and into the ground then it really doesn't matter how strong your quads or hams are.  (Obviously a person with super strong calves and tiny little upper legs is going to be much good either).  It's a team effort.  There's no "I" in hamstr..., wait, there's no "I" in Quadr...., crap.

THERE'S NO I IN LEGS!  :strong:

lmao nice post


ya, "how high would u jump if you only jumped using pure knee extension", "how high would you jump if you only jump using pure knee flexion", "how high would you jump using only pure hip extension", all are completely moronic rhetorical questions which make no sense.

together, everyone achieves more.

TEAM TEAM TEAM.

don't put calves on the bench folks, they are a key player.


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Re: Calfs
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2011, 12:19:42 am »
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Calves, just like abs, are always either overemphasized or under-emphasized. And everyone thinks they need special training.

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