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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2011, 02:05:48 pm »
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sounds like you need stronger quads as well as stronger glute/hams etc.. stronger everything.. if you train people in person or pay attention to people's logs on various forums, alot of people with knee pain are just too weak in the lower body, they usually have underdeveloped vmo's or vmo's that don't even fire properly in relation to the VL.. you'll want to perform TKE's (terminal knee extensions) & squat, just work your way down slowly if that's your goal, but for now stay slightly above parallel and progress very slowly with some weight on your back or in your hands... go very light on tke's, it's a high rep exercises 20+ reps focusing on really contracting the vmo.

the quads are more important than the hamstrings for knee stability imo, especially for jumpers.. people with weak vmo's will have all types of patella/knee issues, people with weak hamstrings well that's a toss up - some have issues some don't, but EVERYONE who has weak vmo's has knee problems because the patella tracks improperly during knee extension.. i'm not a doctor/pt, and i havn't seen you in person so i don't know if this is your case, all i'm saying is, in your quest to become glute dominant, do not neglect the quads.

Interesting stuff! I definately think the VMO could be underdeveloped. How often would you suggest doing the TKE-exercise, could it be done daily as a activation exercise?

add in 'half squat' (slightly above parallel), improve depth if you want but make sure improving depth doesn't freak out your knees, do not try to sit WAAAAY BACK, that'll probably aggravate them even more, just go right down basically, get more quad involvement.

on the back extensions make sure you're using the glutes to extend.. i'll have my back extension soon and i'll video how i do them, should help.

i like walking lunges for distance, if you can't do that then ya reverse lunges are good, but walking lunges are #1 imo.

I'm a bit skeptic about adding squats right now as for the patella tendonosis. Squats definately do irritate my knees. Not sure what I'm doing so wrong. Even though I'm trying to feel my glutes and moving through them, the knees start aching. Maybe I should try just going straight down.

Thanks for the response! Very much appreciated.


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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2011, 02:20:58 pm »
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Would road cycling/mountain biking give you even more knee pain?, considering it's non-impact on your knee joints but at the same time great for building up the knees.

How about starting out very low intensity, using it as a therapy tool, gradually increasing the resistance/tolerance?.

I would definitely give that a go.

I don't think going on a bicycle hurts my knees at all actually. I do it once in awhile while taking my dog out.
But the pain isn't hindering me from doing anything really, it's just annoying at this point. If I would start squatting frequently, it would start to hurt a lot more though as I just did this a month ago or so.

Cycling is pretty much quad/glute dominant. You will be hitting two birds with one stone as it will strengthen both your knee's & quads. Use cycling a conditioning tool as a lead up to your heavier barbell work & just maybe your knee's will be able to tolerate the squatting later on down the line, but make sure you start very light & get your technique down. If it was me with funny knee's, I would be putting in at least 2 weeks/month of cycling getting them strengthened up with cycling before any heavy barbell stuff.



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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 04:43:03 pm »
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Cycling sucks so much!

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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2011, 04:49:14 pm »
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Cycling sucks so much!

In what way?.

The cardio aspect?.

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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2011, 05:14:25 pm »
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Would road cycling/mountain biking give you even more knee pain?, considering it's non-impact on your knee joints but at the same time great for building up the knees.

How about starting out very low intensity, using it as a therapy tool, gradually increasing the resistance/tolerance?.

I would definitely give that a go.

I don't think going on a bicycle hurts my knees at all actually. I do it once in awhile while taking my dog out.
But the pain isn't hindering me from doing anything really, it's just annoying at this point. If I would start squatting frequently, it would start to hurt a lot more though as I just did this a month ago or so.

Cycling is pretty much quad/glute dominant. You will be hitting two birds with one stone as it will strengthen both your knee's & quads. Use cycling a conditioning tool as a lead up to your heavier barbell work & just maybe your knee's will be able to tolerate the squatting later on down the line, but make sure you start very light & get your technique down. If it was me with funny knee's, I would be putting in at least 2 weeks/month of cycling getting them strengthened up with cycling before any heavy barbell stuff.



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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2011, 05:22:25 pm »
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sounds like you need stronger quads as well as stronger glute/hams etc.. stronger everything.. if you train people in person or pay attention to people's logs on various forums, alot of people with knee pain are just too weak in the lower body, they usually have underdeveloped vmo's or vmo's that don't even fire properly in relation to the VL.. you'll want to perform TKE's (terminal knee extensions) & squat, just work your way down slowly if that's your goal, but for now stay slightly above parallel and progress very slowly with some weight on your back or in your hands... go very light on tke's, it's a high rep exercises 20+ reps focusing on really contracting the vmo.

the quads are more important than the hamstrings for knee stability imo, especially for jumpers.. people with weak vmo's will have all types of patella/knee issues, people with weak hamstrings well that's a toss up - some have issues some don't, but EVERYONE who has weak vmo's has knee problems because the patella tracks improperly during knee extension.. i'm not a doctor/pt, and i havn't seen you in person so i don't know if this is your case, all i'm saying is, in your quest to become glute dominant, do not neglect the quads.

Interesting stuff! I definately think the VMO could be underdeveloped. How often would you suggest doing the TKE-exercise, could it be done daily as a activation exercise?

yup, could be done daily.. i'd go for 3-5x/week though, allow for some rest days.

if vmo is underdeveloped, knee issues follow.. it's always the case.


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add in 'half squat' (slightly above parallel), improve depth if you want but make sure improving depth doesn't freak out your knees, do not try to sit WAAAAY BACK, that'll probably aggravate them even more, just go right down basically, get more quad involvement.

on the back extensions make sure you're using the glutes to extend.. i'll have my back extension soon and i'll video how i do them, should help.

i like walking lunges for distance, if you can't do that then ya reverse lunges are good, but walking lunges are #1 imo.

I'm a bit skeptic about adding squats right now as for the patella tendonosis. Squats definately do irritate my knees. Not sure what I'm doing so wrong. Even though I'm trying to feel my glutes and moving through them, the knees start aching. Maybe I should try just going straight down.

Thanks for the response! Very much appreciated.




np, try going straight down ya.. see how it goes.. i have some long legs, if i force sitting way back rather than just sitting right down, knees bug out pretty bad.. could be the case for you too, dno.

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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2011, 05:32:54 pm »
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yup, could be done daily.. i'd go for 3-5x/week though, allow for some rest days.

if vmo is underdeveloped, knee issues follow.. it's always the case.

Sounds good :) I'll definately start implementing that as I'm pretty sure the VMO is weak/bad activation. Shall I just use it as a activation and a little bit of strenghtening exercise? I mean adding progressive resistance to it is quite hard :D Or what version exactly did you mean? If you could show me a link on youtube I'd be thankful. I looked at one using a band around the knee.

np, try going straight down ya.. see how it goes.. i have some long legs, if i force sitting way back rather than just sitting right down, knees bug out pretty bad.. could be the case for you too, dno.

peace!

Will definately try it! I have pretty long thighs so sitting back is quite hard for me.

Just out of curiosity, how would you say the glute vs quad  recruitment is during the Half Squat if done correctly?
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Re: Becoming Glute dominant
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2011, 11:55:38 am »
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In addition to what has already been mentioned I would also include some anteroposterior exercise like load hip thrusts. They will definitely get your glutes firing.