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Basketball palming
« on: July 20, 2010, 02:23:08 pm »
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This is a crucial matter when it comes to dunking , it is so much easier when you can palm the ball.
So what exercises should we do to improve palming ability?
Is it the normal grip exercises , wrist curls etc or would doing specific stuff like ISO-ball-palming be better?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 02:41:23 pm »
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btw thx for the pm vag    nice idea
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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 02:48:13 pm »
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I have no experience with this, but I would rather do heavy deadlifts instead of spending time doing wrist curls :)

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 03:25:00 pm »
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Deflate the ball a bit  :D :D :D :D
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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 06:42:48 pm »
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This is a crucial matter when it comes to dunking , it is so much easier when you can palm the ball.
So what exercises should we do to improve palming ability?
Is it the normal grip exercises , wrist curls etc or would doing specific stuff like ISO-ball-palming be better?


palming relies on a wide pinch grip, so, some kind of plate pinching would be the best for it.. i know when i worked my grip hard doing plate pinches, that i could palm the ball pretty good.. my grip / pinch grip is way weaker now so i cant palm it for shit.

here's some examples, albeit, really strong examples:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6v1rM7F8U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6v1rM7F8U</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dyj81VjZ3U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dyj81VjZ3U</a>

basically, you can plate pinch 3 ten lb plates, 4 ten lb plates etc.. or come up with a device like the one in the first video to add weight based on a smaller plate thickness.. you could make a pinch block, like a 2", 3" and 4" block with a rope that holds plates, etc.. stuff like that..

there's a few types of grip:
- pinch
- crush
- support

palming falls under pinch :P

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2010, 07:45:21 pm »
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I can palm the ball really well and what worked for me is holding onto heavy shit. The best exercises i have found that increased my grip strength the most was high rep dumbbell rows (Kroc rows), talking about 30+ reps here and high rep DB shrugs (50+ reps). You could also try barbell holds, basically load the bar with shit loads of weight and hold for as long as possible. Plate pinching is also good as adarq mentioned and basically just try and palm the basketball as much as possible.

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 05:52:35 am »
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palming relies on a wide pinch grip, so, some kind of plate pinching would be the best for it.. i know when i worked my grip hard doing plate pinches, that i could palm the ball pretty good.. my grip / pinch grip is way weaker now so i cant palm it for shit.

basically, you can plate pinch 3 ten lb plates, 4 ten lb plates etc.. or come up with a device like the one in the first video to add weight based on a smaller plate thickness.. you could make a pinch block, like a 2", 3" and 4" block with a rope that holds plates, etc.. stuff like that..

there's a few types of grip:
- pinch
- crush
- support

palming falls under pinch :P

peace man...

SICK info , types of grip and specific lifts for each , i like!!! thanks a lot! :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 07:28:51 am »
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I probably won't get approval, but it's not a matter of strength but a matter of skin quality/friction. If it was a matter of strength, then you would have to be so weak that you wouldn't be able to hold a cola bottle in your hand.

I mean, think about it - you just hold the ball for less than a second when you dunk. And yes, there is acceleration involved there which increases the ball's weight, but that is not important. The important thing is how much grip does the ball have, and what kind of skin you have.
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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 08:08:57 am »
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I probably won't get approval, but it's not a matter of strength but a matter of skin quality/friction. If it was a matter of strength, then you would have to be so weak that you wouldn't be able to hold a cola bottle in your hand.

I mean, think about it - you just hold the ball for less than a second when you dunk. And yes, there is acceleration involved there which increases the ball's weight, but that is not important. The important thing is how much grip does the ball have, and what kind of skin you have.

Friction has a lot to do with it , agreed. Thats why you can palm better a new ball than the same ball when its worn out or dusty. But there is not much you can do to improve friction without cheating ( wax etc ).
So yes , if you have freaky friction in ball & skin , its much easier.
But if for a given friction you can barely palm it , improving that "pinch" grip will make you palm it better.
It has a lot to do with hand size too , if your hands are 10'' or bigger , then the ball is in your hand , its a "crush" grip.
The cola example is totally wrong , you cant compare grip between different size&shape objects. Same rule though , if your hand is bigger than what your trying to palm , its in your hand , its a "crush" grip. If its smaller you need a "pinch" grip.
For all of us ~6footers that our hands are ~8'' , palming the ~10'' diameter size 7 ball is a matter of pinch grip strength. :D

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2010, 08:23:21 am »
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Yes but say you're very strong grip-wise and apply that strength to a slippery ball. The result of that will be the ball will fling out of your hand because the more power you apply to it, the more it has a chance to fly out. So you need to actually apply less strength and go up gingerly with a slippery ball.
Current PR status:

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All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 08:39:51 am »
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Yes but say you're very strong grip-wise and apply that strength to a slippery ball. The result of that will be the ball will fling out of your hand because the more power you apply to it, the more it has a chance to fly out. So you need to actually apply less strength and go up gingerly with a slippery ball.

I partly agree on that. What you say is true , that if you apply more strength it will fly out for sure, but i believe its because of this:
You are applying your maximum strength grip , but that strength is still not enough to palm the ball good. So the ball starts slowly slipping. You keep pushing as much as you can but eventually , its in the edge of your fingers , the direction of the force has changed now , it is in fact pushing it out , so the more strength you are applying now the easier and more far the ball will fly out of your hand. If you pushed less , it would still fly out , just not far.
If your applied strength was bigger than the "palming ball grip strength treshold" , it would never slip.
And yes , that "palming ball grip strength treshold" depends both on grip strength and hands/ball friction.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 01:13:22 pm »
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what set/rep/rest/frequency would u use for plate pinching.
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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2010, 04:19:57 pm »
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what set/rep/rest/frequency would u use for plate pinching.

grip training is a bit different than most of the body, considering there are so many muscles in there.. frequency can actually be pretty high.. folks like us though shouldn't go too high frequency on there though, that's good for the farm boys, but not basketball types, as you can get elbow/knuckle/hand tendonitis pretty easily if you're going intense.

if you're just doing pinch workouts, keep it to like 2x/week.. just spend 15-20 minutes mucking around, that's my best advice.. don't try and sets/reps it from the start because the hand/forearm/fingers just have so many muscles, they recover fast.. so just spend 15-20 minutes doing:
- holds
- reps
- etc

it's not an exact science with grip, it's more of a fun thing.. for example, mechanics / people in manual labour can have some pretty impressive grips, they just put in work every day using their hands.. diehard grip trainees alternate between pinch sessions, crush sessions, and support sessions/levering/nail bending.. they do all kinds of crazy shit, it's insane..

so seriously, just have fun with grip training and stop if you feel any weird tingling in the elbow.

here's some impressive stuff:



plate hub lift, 77 lb:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjCZH_qdkA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjCZH_qdkA</a>



ironmind red nail bend: it takes ilke 400+ lb of force to bend it

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RebGIohsBBs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RebGIohsBBs</a>



CoC #4 close: this takes like 350 lb force to close in one hand

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvm_m6NFSMA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvm_m6NFSMA</a>




(one hand) rolling thunder deadlift, 2" thick handle, 300 lb:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAdykOiPFTo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAdykOiPFTo</a>



sledge hammer levering, 16 lb:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQUlxfHPuY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQUlxfHPuY</a>



6 tens pinched:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNN90UDUCMc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNN90UDUCMc</a>




2 45's pinched:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMI0DNnc_Co" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMI0DNnc_Co</a>





finger pullups:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkqIG2Zbn4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkqIG2Zbn4</a>





all of that stuff is FREAK shit, some might look easy, but really, all of that is freak level strength, every vid.. :D

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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2010, 06:02:05 pm »
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I want two rolling thunders. Pullups off them would be fun.
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Re: Basketball palming
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2010, 07:05:58 pm »
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I want two rolling thunders. Pullups off them would be fun.

2" plumbing handles, like 1$ each:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-sBdxxD1lQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-sBdxxD1lQ</a>

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