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Ah so basically a strict 5 reps yeah? Well thanks btw

Haha yeah got that. So i'm guessing there's no point doing an extra set to accommodate for not being able to hit 5 for 3?

I am going to emphasize this again, because it might have been lost somewhere... Yes, you will eventually not be able to get to 5 reps. Dreyth told you what can be done then. But if that happens to you as early as the next 2-3 months, you are doing things wrong. There is NO reason why you should get stuck so early, so get this out of your head right away. Getting only 4 reps is not even acceptable right now. Make sure (through, diet, sleep, recovery, focus, etc.) that you always get all the reps.

right kay man a strict 5 reps, of 3sets got it. so do this routine for 2-3months and continue if it still works yeah?

I can't remember the last time a user had soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (you get the point) many questions. Seriously. Not even I years ago.

PointerRyan: So you need protein to grow, right?
Random user: Yeah
PointerRyan: Yeah but is the spoon material important?
Random user: Nope
PointerRyan: OK, got it, but if the spoon is made of metal, could it disturbe the balance of metals in the bloodstream?
Random user: Nah, don't worry about it
PointerRyan: OK but the timing could be wrong, so ... should I take protein before or after the workout?
Random user: Take it around the time of the workout
PointerRyan: Right, but ...

duh...

I'm tired of writing this...

yea it's not like he's overanalyzing like I used to do back in the day... i think raptor is more known for that, simply because i didn't post my over analyses as much 

Yeah I'm not "bothered" or anything like that... if I have a problem with what he writes, I can just ignore it and move on. It's great that he's passionate about it and wants to know everything, but at his current level he would be better served working his ass out and really focusing on the basics.

Sometimes the more you know the more that additional information can deter you off the right path, because you're anxious to "try something new, maybe this works better".

right sorry man bout the tonnes of questions. tried my best to limit it, but well, not like i'm already not working my ass from, just that i go by " train wise, train hard" , if you get what i mean.

but yeah noted man, thanks for telling:)

Raptor has a good point. It's good that people are so willing to help thogh. I notice that whenever someone asks a question about their routine, people jump on it right away. THis is good.

To reduce the number of questions, I would say just follow instincts. Some of us look at it too analytically. I think the idea of counting reps is unecessary. Grount contacts? Doesn't matter. Workout ountil your performance deproves (no it's not a real word but it should be i think).

I've done 1 set of bounding in a workout (well two total because I switched legs), and saw an improvement the next workout. Plyos are not only about physiological changes in tissue, but also neurological changes. So it doesn't take much.

Trying to achieve a 5th rep, or a 70th ground contact could be detrimental to performance. For example, if you are at rep 50, and notice that you are jumping slower, you're not going to see any additional benefit in your explosiveness from doing those reps unless they come from collagen restructiring and increasing thickness of tendons, i.e. physiological changes. They also will train your nervous system differently since they will be slower. Just imagine crossfit box jumps.

Striving for a 5th rep, will result in a very slow grinding rep, and it may make you stronger, but it may have no greater effect than a faster set of 4 reps without the extra 5th, nd may reinforce a slow motor pattern. Sometimes there is a threshold in a workout for the gains, it isn't all dose dependent. But if you just want strength, it probably will help. FOr hypertrophy, it will most probably help too.

Raptor has a good point. It's good that people are so willing to help thogh. I notice that whenever someone asks a question about their routine, people jump on it right away. THis is good.

To reduce the number of questions, I would say just follow instincts. Some of us look at it too analytically. I think the idea of counting reps is unecessary. Grount contacts? Doesn't matter. Workout ountil your performance deproves (no it's not a real word but it should be i think).

I've done 1 set of bounding in a workout (well two total because I switched legs), and saw an improvement the next workout. Plyos are not only about physiological changes in tissue, but also neurological changes. So it doesn't take much.

Trying to achieve a 5th rep, or a 70th ground contact could be detrimental to performance. For example, if you are at rep 50, and notice that you are jumping slower, you're not going to see any additional benefit in your explosiveness from doing those reps unless they come from collagen restructiring and increasing thickness of tendons, i.e. physiological changes. They also will train your nervous system differently since they will be slower. Just imagine crossfit box jumps.

Striving for a 5th rep, will result in a very slow grinding rep, and it may make you stronger, but it may have no greater effect than a faster set of 4 reps without the extra 5th, nd may reinforce a slow motor pattern. Sometimes there is a threshold in a workout for the gains, it isn't all dose dependent. But if you just want strength, it probably will help. FOr hypertrophy, it will most probably help too.

ah man yeah makes sense. but man, abotu what you say about a faster set of 4 than a set striving for 5reps, so if thats the case, if i could get 4reps fast, but wanna aim for 5reps, would taking a few deep breathes, like 5-10seconds while the bar is still on my back, and do another rep be all good? wouldnt be taking away the effectiveness of the set up yeah?

Cool.

And remember - keep it simple and progress on that simple workout. Get the most bang for the buck exercises and keep on improving them. End of story.

haha bang for the buck, yeah wil ldo that man thanks again.

Quote from: Avishek on April 13, 2012, 07:53:29 pm

I've done 1 set of bounding in a workout (well two total because I switched legs), and saw an improvement the next workout. Plyos are not only about physiological changes in tissue, but also neurological changes. So it doesn't take much.

Trying to achieve a 5th rep, or a 70th ground contact could be detrimental to performance. For example, if you are at rep 50, and notice that you are jumping slower, you're not going to see any additional benefit in your explosiveness from doing those reps unless they come from collagen restructiring and increasing thickness of tendons, i.e. physiological changes. They also will train your nervous system differently since they will be slower. Just imagine crossfit box jumps.

Striving for a 5th rep, will result in a very slow grinding rep, and it may make you stronger, but it may have no greater effect than a faster set of 4 reps without the extra 5th, nd may reinforce a slow motor pattern. Sometimes there is a threshold in a workout for the gains, it isn't all dose dependent. But if you just want strength, it probably will help. FOr hypertrophy, it will most probably help too.

I agree, however the total ground contacts was my advice to him.  I told him 50-75 I believe.  He was doing ME jumps and MR half tucks and stiff leg ankle hops, so besides the ME jumps, the intensity wasn't all that high.  That's not to say I recommend getting to whatever many reps with shitty form.

My idea was that he needs to get some volume in now, to get more efficient in fundamental running and jumping drills/exercises.  Sometimes you just need to get volume in, even if it's submaximal(so not grinding out crappy ME reps under fatigue).

But yeah, I agree, drop offs aren't good, and things should be cut off after marginal losses in speed/power.

ah you were the one lol. haha man really gotta learn ot focus and work on quality. jeez