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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2013, 08:27:00 am »
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Quote from: Joe on September 13, 2013, 07:22:42 am
Why don't you just make front squat your primary exercise? It seems close enough to your back squat at the moment that your rack strength isn't an issue.

lol, if only life were so simple.

My FS is limited by quad strength, and it trains glutes and hamstrings
My BS is limited by lower back and hamstring strength and it trains the quads

FS is a cool exercise and all, but it doesn't do anything for my leg strength. When my BS went up, my FS went up nicely. BS gets stuck, FS gets stuck. FS is not my panacea.
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2013, 08:31:24 am »
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Quote from: entropy on September 12, 2013, 02:53:25 am

You'll notice one thing about these squats, there is a very tiny angle btw hips crease and the knees, the knees are almost horizontal as are quads. This means the quads are in a better position to act out of the bottom of a hole. If someone does a 'deep squat' like KingFisher or my front squats, this means the quads are not able to act immediately out of the hole since they are over stretched. That's bad. Instead in that case it's the glutes and hamstrings which bounce you out, and then the about halfway up quads kick in. This isn't a quad dominant olympic squat. That's why I was going on about depth being misunderstood, because for the purposes of an olympic squat, it's more about the depth of the knee rather than the ass vs the knee.

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The second image is more balanced.  You will get quad and glute work (although lesser) and hamstring strength.  All 3 are needed for athletes who run so this is the more common approach.  It also allows more weight so ou see it is more similar to a power lifter squat.  Starting strength is a classic example  of this style.

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reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

walk more. resting HR to low 40s. 

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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2013, 08:43:05 am »
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Are your glutes and hams as developed? If i'm right they shud be more developed..

edit more explanations --

1. Your quads show development consistent with a person who does 475lb paused back squats regardless of style

2. Not to say you use zero quads in your style, it's def more than someone doing a LBBS say, but not as much as someone doing a TK style olympic squat

3. You were born with them you haven't acquired them thru your backsquats (?)

4. If you used TK style olympic squats you'd have even more impressive quads

5. low bodyfat makes fools of us all

6. i'm completely wrong but i doubt it :P
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2013, 11:02:52 am »
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Quote from: entropy on September 13, 2013, 08:43:05 am
Are your glutes and hams as developed?

Kingfish, entropy wants bare ass photos.

but seriously holy crap kingfish that quad is glorious
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2013, 12:19:40 pm »
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Jesus KF. Still have some vascularity even at your currently 'high' BF. Insane man.
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2013, 12:51:12 pm »
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Quote from: Joe on September 13, 2013, 11:02:52 am
Quote from: entropy on September 13, 2013, 08:43:05 am
Are your glutes and hams as developed?

Kingfish, entropy wants bare ass photos.

but seriously holy crap kingfish that quad is glorious

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wouldn't mind a map or a legend to what's photographed there. Is that kingfisher's knee or muscles??
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2013, 01:56:09 pm »
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VMO. Knee is down and to the right.

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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2013, 02:32:46 pm »
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See, you can't ask a question like that and then say his quads are not up to par.

And guys... please take these private questions on PM. Thank you.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2013, 09:27:33 pm »
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as Lance puts it:  my squat resembles a standing leg extension.

most of the muscle soreness i get from doing 6-8+ reps before goes to the lower quads/VMO area. glutes get some also but not as much. hamstrings get nothing.

p-chain dominant lifters will almost always get blown away in explosiveness from a dead start by the quadzillas.  :headbang:

big SVJs happen when you have so much power in unfolding your knees. 
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2013, 09:41:50 pm »
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Quote from: entropy on September 13, 2013, 12:51:12 pm
wouldn't mind a map or a legend to what's photographed there. Is that kingfisher's knee or muscles??

thats where a 40" SVJ comes from.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2013, 09:50:07 am »
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Quote from: Kingfish on September 13, 2013, 09:41:50 pm
Quote from: entropy on September 13, 2013, 12:51:12 pm
wouldn't mind a map or a legend to what's photographed there. Is that kingfisher's knee or muscles??

thats where a 40" SVJ comes from.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Respeck. If you ever wanna try your hand at internet coaching im putting my hands up as a keen volunteer. Would love to have VMO's like that, i didnt' even know such a muscle existed lol :P
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2013, 09:56:02 am »
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Quote from: entropy on September 27, 2013, 09:50:07 am
Quote from: Kingfish on September 13, 2013, 09:41:50 pm
Quote from: entropy on September 13, 2013, 12:51:12 pm
wouldn't mind a map or a legend to what's photographed there. Is that kingfisher's knee or muscles??

thats where a 40" SVJ comes from.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Respeck. If you ever wanna try your hand at internet coaching im putting my hands up as a keen volunteer. Would love to have VMO's like that, i didnt' even know such a muscle existed lol :P

That's more a function of Kingfish's awesome dorsiflexion ability.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2013, 09:59:12 am »
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True raptor. I'd been meaning to ask KF about that. How important is your kalf training to your squatting prowess? Would you recommend I start to train my calves too if i'm after a stronger more athletic squat?
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2013, 10:09:49 am »
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As promised, an updated caps post of squats done with WL shoes.



I'm still at a loss of how to get my DESCENT more middle-of-foot aligned. As always any suggestions welcome.
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Re: analyse my squat bar path
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2013, 10:37:01 am »
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^Cool , i thought i was the only one dumb enough to make pictures like that comparing front and back squatting form :D

This is from 2 weeks ago, 60kg backsquats and 55kg front squats. It is the 8th rep of 3d set for both, wanted to see how bad my worse rep is:

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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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