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Prob important when you're at the cusp of breaking into new territory. Maybe landing your first dunk or windmill or whtaever. But in my experience, there is a difference in where the weight is. Ive done weighted dunks at ~220lb while weighing ~165lb. But if i put on some ankle weights (around 3kg i think), it changes things a lot more than the weight vest did. It's hard to explain though unless you try it out. I think you do want your feet to be as light as possible.

in my exp. the shoe weight makes no difference lol. unless you were wearing something as heavy as hiking boots thats when it counts, but all ball shoes weigh about the same, i guess the only difference is the placebo a light shoe would give you lol.

i'm weak af. when i put on my hyperdunks, i walk around for like 2 seconds, then i take them off. they feel horrible.

shoe weight definitely makes a difference for me.. it could all be mental, but that's still significant. All I know is I wouldn't want to run/sprint/"do plyometrics" in basketball shoes.. i'd rather do that in XC flats.. so if i'd rather "fly" in XC flats, why would I ever want to wear basketball shoes? ... especially since I don't actually play basketball anymore.

so that's why I have this problem with basketball shoes.. they have all of this extra support/protection/weight for playing basketball, which I don't play. If someone made a ~4-5 oz XC flat style shoe but, with a stronger sole for jumping, I think i'd be in heaven.

the lightest shoes I have right now are my NB 5000 v2 running shoes .. which I enjoyed jumping in until I hurt my heel. I kind of think jumping in those shoes was more risky than my XC flats because even thoug they have more heel protection (for running), it's this hard foam-like substance that I think shifted when I planted in my SLRVJ.. which caused some kind of damage to my "heel area'. Now it flares up slightly on occasion when jumping in my XC flats - but never to the initial extent when I injured it in my NB 5000 v2's. My XC flats are more like ~5 oz and have a strong rubber on the bottom, instead of that weird space-age foam material. I think it offers more protection.

I should have designed myself a damn shoe .. i'll do that in the future. 

I want one shoe I can run, sprint, jump, and dunk in..

Hey i remember reading someone leaving the top holes for shoelaces empty to get mroe dorsifllexion. Has anyone explore that with basketball shoes, more specifically lowtops that are otherwise perfect? I haven't tried it myself, just curious. Having said that, i haven't really analysed my dunking technique to see if it could benefit from more knee bend. maybe.. will look into itt

i did that naturally alot when i played basketball, just hated the laces dig into my ankles.

not sure though.. kind of interesting.

One thing I loved about the way I jumped/dunked 5 years ago was, I never worried about technique at all.. I simply focused on building more horse power, getting lighter, learning how to "stim" myself through MSEM & caffeine & concentrated blocks + deloading etc.. So it's kind of funny how with running and SLRVJ, i've gone on these tangents of analyzing my form etc. I think I had it right the first time........ Though, I am glad i'm changing up my running/SLRVJ form because:

1. my midfoot running form changes will only allow me to go much faster in the future
2. my recent "less heel contact" for my SLRVJ will probably protect my feet/heel more when planting in SLRVJ

so perhaps two good things to come from some overanalysis.. dno yet.

pc!

Footlocker here I come.

Prob important when you're at the cusp of breaking into new territory. Maybe landing your first dunk or windmill or whtaever. But in my experience, there is a difference in where the weight is. Ive done weighted dunks at ~220lb while weighing ~165lb. But if i put on some ankle weights (around 3kg i think), it changes things a lot more than the weight vest did. It's hard to explain though unless you try it out. I think you do want your feet to be as light as possible.

First of all...

That's impressive as fuck. 

Doing 220lb dunks at 160 is ridiculous.  I don't know how many inches a dunk is for you but if I assume you need a 30 inch jump to dunk... Then taking off the weight should give you a 41 inch jump... How far is this from truth?

As far as where the weight is... Your totally right, I don't like ankle weights for this reason.  However any added weight should give a minimum boost of weight_vest/bw * weighted jump.  That's where I get the 41 inch jump from.  This is the least you should gain though... Weight hurts in different places besides this.  If your not getting this gain when you take the weight off you need to do "over speed" work.  Basically what sprinters do when we tow them.  Harder to set up for a jump but possible w bands.  Basically you need to work on producing them same force for a "lighter" (accelerating body).

IMO the most challenging weights are thigh weights.  Weight there just kills the jump. 

Quote from: adarqui on September 04, 2016, 11:35:21 am

Quote from: jumperer on September 04, 2016, 10:35:36 am

in my exp. the shoe weight makes no difference lol. unless you were wearing something as heavy as hiking boots thats when it counts, but all ball shoes weigh about the same, i guess the only difference is the placebo a light shoe would give you lol.

i'm weak af. when i put on my hyperdunks, i walk around for like 2 seconds, then i take them off. they feel horrible.

shoe weight definitely makes a difference for me.. it could all be mental, but that's still significant. All I know is I wouldn't want to run/sprint/"do plyometrics" in basketball shoes.. i'd rather do that in XC flats.. so if i'd rather "fly" in XC flats, why would I ever want to wear basketball shoes? ... especially since I don't actually play basketball anymore.

so that's why I have this problem with basketball shoes.. they have all of this extra support/protection/weight for playing basketball, which I don't play. If someone made a ~4-5 oz XC flat style shoe but, with a stronger sole for jumping, I think i'd be in heaven.

the lightest shoes I have right now are my NB 5000 v2 running shoes .. which I enjoyed jumping in until I hurt my heel. I kind of think jumping in those shoes was more risky than my XC flats because even thoug they have more heel protection (for running), it's this hard foam-like substance that I think shifted when I planted in my SLRVJ.. which caused some kind of damage to my "heel area'. Now it flares up slightly on occasion when jumping in my XC flats - but never to the initial extent when I injured it in my NB 5000 v2's. My XC flats are more like ~5 oz and have a strong rubber on the bottom, instead of that weird space-age foam material. I think it offers more protection.

I should have designed myself a damn shoe .. i'll do that in the future. 

I want one shoe I can run, sprint, jump, and dunk in..

Get puma biowebs.

My problem w true flats is that while I jump higher... I'm also shorter.  I'm 5'11 in flats and 6'1 in bball shoes... I jump moderately higher in flats (especially single leg and running jumps) but for drop step dunks I think it's kinda a stalemate... Jump an inch higher or be an inch taller?  What's best?

tbh ... i'll take an inch more vert - i think.. HAH

on that note.. I should start stretching my lats more to give me an extra inch of reach or something.. it can potentially help.

The ultimate shoe for jumping is a negative heel shoe.  Studies show this is by far the best thing.  Hard to find.  You can however make your own inserts w duct tape and insoles and it can be dramatic.  About half an inch higher at the toe that the heel and you will fly.

are these "negative heel"? I mean, I always feel like im sinking slightly into my heel with them.. you feel it especially when squatting.

i always considered these 0.. but, you can see they have a prominent forefoot architecture to them.

Quote from: maxent on September 04, 2016, 11:20:13 am

Prob important when you're at the cusp of breaking into new territory. Maybe landing your first dunk or windmill or whtaever. But in my experience, there is a difference in where the weight is. Ive done weighted dunks at ~220lb while weighing ~165lb. But if i put on some ankle weights (around 3kg i think), it changes things a lot more than the weight vest did. It's hard to explain though unless you try it out. I think you do want your feet to be as light as possible.

First of all...

That's impressive as fuck. 

Doing 220lb dunks at 160 is ridiculous.  I don't know how many inches a dunk is for you but if I assume you need a 30 inch jump to dunk... Then taking off the weight should give you a 41 inch jump... How far is this from truth?

As far as where the weight is... Your totally right, I don't like ankle weights for this reason.  However any added weight should give a minimum boost of weight_vest/bw * weighted jump.  That's where I get the 41 inch jump from.  This is the least you should gain though... Weight hurts in different places besides this.  If your not getting this gain when you take the weight off you need to do "over speed" work.  Basically what sprinters do when we tow them.  Harder to set up for a jump but possible w bands.  Basically you need to work on producing them same force for a "lighter" (accelerating body).

IMO the most challenging weights are thigh weights.  Weight there just kills the jump.

Damn, didnt you see the vid? pretty sure i put it up haha. I will put it up on my insta @maxentr0py .. check it out later today. It wasn't that special tbh cos form to get a +25kg dunk is like the form when you are straining to get that first tip dunk .. but with me when i get it i was hitting the rim so hard it went thru super hard. take the vest off and dunks become submaxier but so what, not like im getting my head at the rim.. i dont know, i dont think there is much benefit to training at those extremes. i think the best weighted dunks were the ones i got around +5-7kg where i was getting a good workout without changing form too drastically.

sorry, insta is annoying, i cant upload directly from pc,cant be bothered with all of that, will just use youtube..

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edit, so this is what i put up in my log
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4WgRtg0veg

and this one was done a week later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnrfyIKbyAU
also have the unweighted dunks after that;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0HDbet8omU

i did heavier than that the following weeks but i dont have that on tape. a nd the last set of weighted dunks i have on tape (days before the comp) but it's full HD and the vid is like 1-4gb .. will take too long to upload unless i edit but i dont have any decent editor available (linux is a ghetto).