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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #465 on: March 30, 2018, 09:17:01 pm »
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30-03-18

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Feel trashed today, oof, despite 9 hours of decent sleep. Hip musculature in particular is sore, given the JJ stuff + sprints for first time in ages, though it's kinda nice, haha. Not surprised but golly it has hit me. Will see how i feel tomorrow -- may pysh the workout to Sunday. Pretty hyped to do it  though, so may just go for it tomorrow.

Think I would be smart to take today as a full rest day (though I'll be on my feet in the kitchen most of the day) so nixing the calisthenics.

Chag sameach/have a good Good Friday y'all.

Pesach! (sorry I googled it, think it's a good response?)

Pesach sameach!

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #466 on: March 31, 2018, 10:05:34 am »
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Feel trashed today, oof, despite 9 hours of decent sleep. Hip musculature in particular is sore, given the JJ stuff + sprints for first time in ages, though it's kinda nice, haha. Not surprised but golly it has hit me. Will see how i feel tomorrow -- may pysh the workout to Sunday. Pretty hyped to do it  though, so may just go for it tomorrow.

Think I would be smart to take today as a full rest day (though I'll be on my feet in the kitchen most of the day) so nixing the calisthenics.

Chag sameach/have a good Good Friday y'all.

Pesach! (sorry I googled it, think it's a good response?)

Pesach sameach!

:D

Thanks man! Nailed it  :) :ibjumping:
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #467 on: March 31, 2018, 10:25:42 am »
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31-03-18

Workout

Run --

Warmup - 1.2mi @ 8:30 + 5 strides of 50m

Workout - 8 x (400 @ ~1:37 + 400 @ ~1:47) [so this was 4mi in 27:03, because I didn't get the paces quite right every time, for an average pace of 6:45/mile]

Cooldown - 2.15mi @ 9:30

Notes

So I did a half marathon specific workout I found on that blog I posted about recently: http://nateruns.blogspot.com/2015/01/workout-wednesday-400400-alternations.html

The blog post said to aim for 6-8 miles for half marathon, but I guess I will build to that over the coming weeks. I am still pretty new to running these sorts of paces, before this I'd only done 8 miles total a <7:00 pace, and not that many more at <7:20.

The idea is to alternative 400s such that the average pace is your target half marathon pace (so here it was 6:45, for a 1:28:30 half marathon). The fast 400s should be 20s/mile faster than target pace, and the slow "rest" 400s at 20s/mile slower. The "rest" pace isn't exactly slow for me, since that works out to like ~7:00-7:05 pace.

I really liked this workout! That's 4 miles of hard running, half of which was at ~6:20ish pace. I got better at finding the rhythm/pace without having to check my watch at 200m with time, though if you look at Strava you can see I blitzed the first 400 in 1:24, lol. But yeah, hitting 16 laps in basically 27 flat without going totally balls to the wall is pretty great.

Also, I picked up a cheap pair of Kinvara 8s since they're a pretty old shoe by now. Quite liked them! Feel super light, though I guess they're not really that much lighter than my Escalantes. They're a much firmer/more responsive ride, which is nice to have as a contrast. Bit better lateral stability, which makes them better suited for track work. Anyway, glad to have a second pair of shoes in the rotation (excl. my racers).

Actually went into this workout still feeling a little sore. It was also raining and the track was soaking wet, so all things considered I feel good about the result of this workout.

Big thing to improve at with this session pacing wise: I would slow down too hard when transitioning from the fast 400 to the rest 400, and then not pick it up until like 200m into the rep. More even "rest" reps would probably help me actually recover a bit more during then and help me extend the workout.

Easy run tomorrow to get over 30mi!
« Last Edit: March 31, 2018, 10:38:20 am by Joe »
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #468 on: March 31, 2018, 05:13:07 pm »
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31-03-18

Workout

Run --

Warmup - 1.2mi @ 8:30 + 5 strides of 50m

Workout - 8 x (400 @ ~1:37 + 400 @ ~1:47) [so this was 4mi in 27:03, because I didn't get the paces quite right every time, for an average pace of 6:45/mile]

Cooldown - 2.15mi @ 9:30

Notes

So I did a half marathon specific workout I found on that blog I posted about recently: http://nateruns.blogspot.com/2015/01/workout-wednesday-400400-alternations.html

The blog post said to aim for 6-8 miles for half marathon, but I guess I will build to that over the coming weeks. I am still pretty new to running these sorts of paces, before this I'd only done 8 miles total a <7:00 pace, and not that many more at <7:20.

The idea is to alternative 400s such that the average pace is your target half marathon pace (so here it was 6:45, for a 1:28:30 half marathon). The fast 400s should be 20s/mile faster than target pace, and the slow "rest" 400s at 20s/mile slower. The "rest" pace isn't exactly slow for me, since that works out to like ~7:00-7:05 pace.

I really liked this workout! That's 4 miles of hard running, half of which was at ~6:20ish pace. I got better at finding the rhythm/pace without having to check my watch at 200m with time, though if you look at Strava you can see I blitzed the first 400 in 1:24, lol. But yeah, hitting 16 laps in basically 27 flat without going totally balls to the wall is pretty great.

Also, I picked up a cheap pair of Kinvara 8s since they're a pretty old shoe by now. Quite liked them! Feel super light, though I guess they're not really that much lighter than my Escalantes. They're a much firmer/more responsive ride, which is nice to have as a contrast. Bit better lateral stability, which makes them better suited for track work. Anyway, glad to have a second pair of shoes in the rotation (excl. my racers).

Actually went into this workout still feeling a little sore. It was also raining and the track was soaking wet, so all things considered I feel good about the result of this workout.

solid work!!

alternating 400's is rough. just something about it that always scares me. (odd maybe?).

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Big thing to improve at with this session pacing wise: I would slow down too hard when transitioning from the fast 400 to the rest 400, and then not pick it up until like 200m into the rep. More even "rest" reps would probably help me actually recover a bit more during then and help me extend the workout.

yup. playing catchup screws things up. might be good to "float into it" after you hit the lap key, instead of hitting the brakes hard etc. that way the transition period is definitely "fast enough", as you gradually slow down.

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Easy run tomorrow to get over 30mi!

nice!!

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #469 on: March 31, 2018, 06:07:00 pm »
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alternating 400's is rough. just something about it that always scares me. (odd maybe?).

Haha, I will admit being a little scared going into the workout too! Hard as heck. Looking forward a bit to doing it a second time, though. Probably in two-three weeks.

yup. playing catchup screws things up. might be good to "float into it" after you hit the lap key, instead of hitting the brakes hard etc. that way the transition period is definitely "fast enough", as you gradually slow down.

Yup, this makes a lot of sense. I did try this a bit at times, but was often so looking forward to the rest that I took it a bit too casually. Training this state of being alter while being relaxed will be really valuable. Told myself to just relax a lot in the workout, too.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #470 on: April 01, 2018, 12:22:48 pm »
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01-04-18

Workout

Run -- 4.78mi in 39:34 [8:17 pace]

Avg HR - 149

Notes

A few strides + ~6 second sprints up steep hill thrown in, but otherwise kept it easy. Legs as sore as they have been from running today, so I'm very happy to have been able to knock out this pace with ease today. Fitness is coming along in leaps and bounds.

May need to frontload my miles this week since I've got a very unpredictable schedule including travel from Thur->Sun and I'm not sure how much running I'll be able to do, though should be able to squeeze some stuff in.

Plan is easy tomorrow and Wednesday with a long run on Tuesday. Gonna try to keep pace on the long run to ~7:35-45 range. Working a wider variety of paces seems like it can only be a good thing, and especially working a little harder on long runs seems like something that would be especially good for the half.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #471 on: April 02, 2018, 11:04:29 am »
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02-04-18

Workout

Run -- 4.07mi in 36:58 [9:04 pace]

Notes

Bit of an odd run. Still quite sore and thought about taking a rest day, but figured since I need to get my miles in early this week I should still head out. First mile was quick at an easy effort [8:04, 150bpm] but from there I died and needed to keep is super slow -- kind of odd to me. I think I need to be better about taking first mile super chill anyway.

Still, I need to recovery properly before my moderate pace long run. Might push that to Wednesday and take another easy one tomorrow. Shall play that by ear.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #472 on: April 02, 2018, 09:22:07 pm »
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02-04-18

Workout

Run -- 4.07mi in 36:58 [9:04 pace]

Notes

Bit of an odd run. Still quite sore and thought about taking a rest day, but figured since I need to get my miles in early this week I should still head out. First mile was quick at an easy effort [8:04, 150bpm] but from there I died and needed to keep is super slow -- kind of odd to me. I think I need to be better about taking first mile super chill anyway.

Still, I need to recovery properly before my moderate pace long run. Might push that to Wednesday and take another easy one tomorrow. Shall play that by ear.

ya that sounds like it might be better. easy/dead, easy, long.

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #473 on: April 03, 2018, 06:40:02 am »
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03-04-18

Workout

Run -- 5.84mi in 49:45 [8:31 pace]

Notes

Felt decent, still not 100%. Calves in particular are wrecked. In a reverse of usual fortunes I think it's because they're adapting to the runs done with shoes that are not 0 drop, haha.

Little painless twinge behind right knee from like mile 4.5 to 5. Just felt a bit tight, but it went away.

Looked at wear pattern on bottom of shoes since I've got ~200mi in the Altras as of today. Left shoe has a very small amount of wear at the outside of the heel and some wear at the toe off point on the three smallest toes. Right shoe has quite a lot of wear on the outside heel and less wear at the toe off points.

ya that sounds like it might be better. easy/dead, easy, long.

Ja, feeling better today so hopefully feeling pretty solid tomorrow. Beginning to feel the urge to give another solid effort.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #474 on: April 04, 2018, 06:44:44 am »
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04-04-18

Workout

Run -- 10.73mi in 1:19:58 [7:27 pace]

Notes

There's that moderate effort long run. Still felt tired and sore and under-recovered going into this. Not that much of a surprise given that this was my fifth consecutive day of running. Had never done more than three before this streak.

Certain that I could hold this pace for a half-marathon in my current condition -- my level of effort wasn't climbing that much towards the end. Very encouraging that I, while super fatigued, could probably hit a sub 1:40 half. 6-7 more weeks of training + a good taper and I think that <1:30 may well be in reach.

Taking some good rest for a couple of days, now.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #475 on: April 04, 2018, 11:46:55 am »
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04-04-18

Workout

Run -- 10.73mi in 1:19:58 [7:27 pace]

Notes

There's that moderate effort long run. Still felt tired and sore and under-recovered going into this. Not that much of a surprise given that this was my fifth consecutive day of running. Had never done more than three before this streak.

Certain that I could hold this pace for a half-marathon in my current condition -- my level of effort wasn't climbing that much towards the end. Very encouraging that I, while super fatigued, could probably hit a sub 1:40 half. 6-7 more weeks of training + a good taper and I think that <1:30 may well be in reach.

Taking some good rest for a couple of days, now.

great work man. it was a good move, moving this to wednesday. that's basically the "art of it", worked out very well. excited to see where your fitness will be come May 27.

you earned those rest days coming up!

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #476 on: April 05, 2018, 07:59:27 am »
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05-04-18

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No workout today, just want to note here that my legs are way less wrecked today than I would have expected. Feel like I could definitely have gone out for a solid run. Gonna be good after this rest.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #477 on: April 06, 2018, 05:52:34 am »
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06-04-18

Workout

Run -- 5.27mi in 44:59 [~8:30 pace]

Notes

Calves wrecked. Quick run in the morning here. Tomorrow rest again.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #478 on: April 07, 2018, 01:13:20 pm »
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07-04-18

Workout

Run --

~1mi warm-up
2mi @ tempo (6:36, 6:29)
Stand around for a while waiting for a bridge ti lower so I could across
1mi hard (6:07)
~1mi cooldown

Notes

Was in a bit of a hurry and so was annoyed by the bridge so ran hard to get back, haha.

Over 30 miles again this week.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #479 on: April 08, 2018, 06:43:50 pm »
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08-04-18

Notes

Back from travel, was good. Exhausted, gonna sleep great tonight.

Plan this week is "Kenyan standard fartlek" tomorrow, so ~25 x (1 min hard / 1 min medium) and either a longer tempo or another alternation workout later in the week. Probably also a 10+ miler at the weekend, likely easy since I'm planning these two harder workouts. Aiming for 35+ miles this week.
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