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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #285 on: September 27, 2017, 05:44:14 pm »
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]the saturated fat fills out (the intramuscular triglyceride fat of) muscles better and you look better the next morning. That's what the bodybuilders claim anyway lol.  Great job on the cut. I think you should take a maintenance break and make a new bodyfat% setpoint. You can always cut more later down the line but making this stable is important for keeping the fat off later down the line. Always the part i struggled with tho.

i can't wait until fri .. complete rest day and some big eatin`.

i don't like to stress myself out with it much. as long as i'm "vast majority" eating clean, i'll go off and kill a bunch of food on some day when i really want it. not necessarily ice cream because i'm not at all craving it anymore, but i'm crazing a roast beef sandwich on friday & a huge salad with gorgonzola.. :D

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That seems like the healthy way to be! If I've got a craving, I'll either save a day for it, or just make space on the day. E.g. the other day my gf and I both wanted to try out this nice macaron place, so I just cut out a bunch of carbs from the rest of my day's eating and crushed some delicious baked goods. I think it's probably a bit part of why my adherence has been solid overall.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #286 on: September 28, 2017, 10:49:12 am »
+2
28-09-17

Morning BW: 74.6g

Workout

A couple of SVJs after the warmup.

Squat
Bar x Lots
60 x 5
77.5 x 5
90 x 5
100 x 8 [a few left in tank, basically went until I thought bar speed would slow on the following rep]

Bench
Bar x 8
40 x 5
60 x 3
72.5 x 5, 5, 5, 5
70 x 5

Chinups
BW x 5
+25 x 5 x 3 [i.e. 5 sets of 3, felt pretty easy]

Narrow+Neutral Grip Cable Rows
61 x 12, 12

Lateral Raise
8 x 16, 16, 16 [less taxing than DB OHPs for now, and I probs don't really have to worry about front delts, so doing some lateral delt stuff seems sensible]

Preacher Curl
25 x 12, 12, 11

Straight Bar Pushdown
16.25 x 25
21.25 x 16
26.25 x 10

Treadmill -- 3.8mph
15 mins @ 6% - 129/144
10 mins @ 6.5% - 133/139
5 mins @ 7% - 135/140

Notes

Really solid workout. I think it is sensible to rep out a bit more on the top sets on the non 5x5 days, not to failure, or even that close, but just to get a bit more hard work in without overly taxing anything.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #287 on: September 28, 2017, 11:30:22 am »
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]the saturated fat fills out (the intramuscular triglyceride fat of) muscles better and you look better the next morning. That's what the bodybuilders claim anyway lol.  Great job on the cut. I think you should take a maintenance break and make a new bodyfat% setpoint. You can always cut more later down the line but making this stable is important for keeping the fat off later down the line. Always the part i struggled with tho.

i can't wait until fri .. complete rest day and some big eatin`.

i don't like to stress myself out with it much. as long as i'm "vast majority" eating clean, i'll go off and kill a bunch of food on some day when i really want it. not necessarily ice cream because i'm not at all craving it anymore, but i'm crazing a roast beef sandwich on friday & a huge salad with gorgonzola.. :D

pc

That seems like the healthy way to be! If I've got a craving, I'll either save a day for it, or just make space on the day. E.g. the other day my gf and I both wanted to try out this nice macaron place, so I just cut out a bunch of carbs from the rest of my day's eating and crushed some delicious baked goods. I think it's probably a bit part of why my adherence has been solid overall.

yup, nice! The "equation life".

It's interesting how we can try and make the proper substitutions, but also if we're "wrong", our bodies can pretty much demand that we fill the void ASAP - for us, this is more of a loss of performance, power, strength, endurance, and increased hunger obviously.

I think that's where most novices go wrong too, they don't understand substitution so, they try and "force" their diet, but the body then demands nutrients & they eventually "give in" & over-eat, which is another technique our bodies use to try and protect us from lack of nutrition in the future.

I personally try to avoid being hungry, even as i'm becoming much lighter. I wonder if people think i'm hungry and/or starving myself etc - that's why i'm glad i'm logging my diet again, at least illustrates that i'm eating pretty frequently, though not large amounts of food. Usually when i'm hungry, i'm weak. But hunger changes as my diet changes: if I eat alot, i'm hungry more often. If I eat light & clean, I can do fasted runs in the morning no problem. When i'm eating alot, a fasted run in the morning is much more torturous & I seem to be more susceptible to stomach cramps etc, stomach/digestive organs just freaking out.



and ya, your workouts continue to be on point, 21 dips was big. I need to utilize pulllups/wide grip pullups more like you're doing, i'm getting way too much contribution from my biceps on my ng's/chinups, they just feel so much more comfortable to me though, more comfortable for my hands too.

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #288 on: September 28, 2017, 11:55:03 am »
+1
Yeah, it's interesting how appetite changes! I was, as you say, hungry more often when bulking than I've been on this cut. I've only been hungry when I've missed meals/eaten at irregular times, otherwise plain sailing beyond some sugar cravings.

I'm pretty hyped to see how my strength looks when I start eating at maintenance and then a surplus again, though. Looks like I'll be able to hit a 1.5xBW chinup pretty easily, heck I could probably do that now, but I'll take it slow. Get used to +25kg for a while then move up again.

And yeah, NG is definitely the most comfortable grip, and chinups for me the least. I would definitely drop chinups for NG if there was a nice place in the gym to do them! The grips are all surely narrow, though. Getting good at wide grip pullups has been v satisfying, as even when I used to be good at chins in general I never mastered them.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #289 on: September 29, 2017, 07:07:24 am »
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29-09-17

Morning BW: 74.0kg

Notes

Lolwut, 74kg? I tracked what I ate yesterday and it was >2000kcal. I guess it was a fairly active day. I think it's more water loss than anything, though, since I had a couple of beers. Anyway, sore + sleepy, so today is a rest day. Only one track session this week, but I've been practicing SVJs w/ lifting sessions and getting cardio in less intense ways, so I'm not too worried about that.

Edit: it's not very tasty, but it's just occurred to me to pick up some cottage cheese. So easy to eat and such a good protein:kcal ratio, esp if i get the fat free.

Double edit: Because I like making plans and then not following them, here's roughly what I'm thinking going forward.

First: my priorities are roughly, in order: 1) physique; 2) strength; 3) jumping; 4) cardio/fitness. I don't wan't want to neglect any of them, but that's the basic weight. It's easy to include SVJs before lifting as part of a workout, and extensive tempo/incline walking makes it easy to keep up cardio.

I'm gonna finish out the next 8 workouts of 5/3/1 then transition to a high frequency/moderate-high intensity programme for squat+bench, just to get the efficiency of those movements up. It's also the sort of training that is manageable when cutting since no particular day is too hard and it's all about really pushing the weights hard, so if I still need to drop a few lbs after 3 weeks are up it shouldn't be an issue. The main idea, though, is to transition to maintenance calories around this stage and so stay within +-1kg of where I finish the cut (after glycogen+water weight, is regained, I guess) while building up skill at squat and bench, while getting some volume in on back+side delts+arms.

The plan for that is this, taken from here (https://www.strongerbyscience.com/your-drug-free-muscle-and-strength-potential-part-2/):



I trust myself to wing back training since I love it, haha, and don't imagine I could ever neglect it. Might have some life-circumstance changes might been I do this with less frequency than 5 days/week, but we'll see. SVJs would of course be part of the warmups here.

Then after setting new 1rms on those lifts I'd move to a proper hypertrophy programme again and gain weight, but at a more measured pace -- I currently quite like the look of Jacked 'n' Tan 2.0, but I'm flighty so who knows where I am then.

Anyway, that's out in the open now so that I can look back and go "lol that panned out" when I inevitably barely stick to this place.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2017, 09:57:28 am by Joe »
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #290 on: September 29, 2017, 09:23:53 pm »
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lol @ "lol that panned out".

that'll probably be a great transition from what you're doing now .. why not also add chinups to frequency? so squat, bench, chinups? though, pullups might be safer, lats can handle alot, biceps will get beat up more during chins.

edit: oh btw, cottage cheese is interesting.. I absolutely hated it early on, had to force myself to down it. Now, just the mention of it makes me fiend for it. How many times have you eaten it? The thing with me was, I ate it, forced it down for a while .. then stopped. Then came back to it years later and destroyed a tub in one sitting, absolutely loving it.

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #291 on: September 30, 2017, 06:04:03 am »
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Mainly because I'm a bit more wary of overuse injuries that come from chinning than I am w/ bench and squat. I will probably keep training roughly as it is, a heavy chinup day or two,  then volume with rows and pullups on the other days. Varying the exact movement just feels safest to my elbows.

Taking today off training too. Feel like I could use some proper rest. :derp:

Edit: Plus I'm training to be good at squats and bench themselves, whereas I'm using Chins to build up to OACs, so muscle development is as/more important than straight up chin strength, I think
« Last Edit: September 30, 2017, 10:31:00 am by Joe »
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #292 on: October 01, 2017, 12:18:51 pm »
+1
01-10-17

Morning BW: N/A [no access to scale last couple of days, back home now]

Workout

A few SVJs before starting DLs + after the light sets, some felt really good.

Deadlift
60 x 5, 5
80 x 4
100 x 5
112.5 x 5
127.5 x 8 [went until I thought I might have to lose the straight back position on the following rep]

OHP
Bar x 5
32.5 x 5
47.5 x 5 x 5 [first set felt really heavy and I thought there'd be no way I could hit 5x5, but I sorted out my breathing/bracing and sets 2-4 were no problem, just 5 became tough again]

Wide Grip Pullups
BW x 10, 10, 10, 10, 8 [getting there]

Dips
BW x 18, 18, 14 [aiming for 3x18 then max out again I guess]

Hammer Curl [both arms at the same time]
14 x 14, 12
10 x 16
[arms looking juicy]

Notes

Couple of days of total rest. Came back and felt okay, but still kinda tired. I think I may have been pushing the training a little hard given the deficit I'm in. Gonna pull back on the pedal just a little bit and let everything catch up.

Tracked eating vaguely on last couple of days b/c no scale access, and was around 1800-2100 depending on how accurate I managed to be w/ meals out and the like. Well within range. I think I probably maintain around 2300-2400 on non-workout days. We shall see how I managed tomorrow, though!

Vascularity, even when not pumped, is really coming in on my arms, though, so I think progress is coming along, really moving into that last phase. Just want to get rid of this lower-ab fat that gives me a little paunch. I think I've moved much of the way through the 20-15% phase were you sort of look the same but smaller as you get leaner, and am maybe now getting into the stage where getting leaner actually results in definition.  :wowthatwasnutswtf: exciting if true.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #293 on: October 01, 2017, 12:28:23 pm »
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hah nice.

jelly of the "vascularity", kinda. I've literally never been vascular in my life. Even when I was recorded at 7% body fat during my boxing days, no vascularity. Maybe like a vein in my forearm or something, but definitely not upper arms/chest/abs/back/legs, no way - always a layer of fat covering.

interesting how that works. I imagine if I get into the 6's though ...

Even at the pro level, I don't see lots of "vascular" runners, it's interesting. I do see TONS of vascular cyclists. Also, I literally saw one yesterday drive past and veins popping out everywhere on arms and legs. wtf is up with that?

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #294 on: October 01, 2017, 12:47:47 pm »
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I'm not like super vascular, haha, just got a few veins, mostly in the right arm, that I can poke and feel which I find exciting. Got some friends who don't workout at all who just have these gnarly vascular forearms and they make me jealous, haha.

I have quite a network of veins I can see in my right shoulder, so I'm hoping that if one day I get super lean I can have a vascular delt, which seems like it'd be quite badass, to me at least.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #295 on: October 02, 2017, 01:42:42 am »
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according to that calculator i'm at 10-11% bodyfat and could stand to lose a bit over 2kg of fat and gain about 11kg of lean mass to reach my maximum muscular potential. seems legit but i'll never be that heavy inshallah.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #296 on: October 02, 2017, 08:04:12 am »
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02-10-17

Morning BW: 73.9kg

Notes

Happy to have ended up sub-74 without daily weigh-ins and only loose tracking. Have really got the hang of this.

Not gonna do a proper workout today, but will do lots of walking this evening.
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #297 on: October 03, 2017, 08:12:34 am »
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03-10-17

Morning BW: 74.6kg [blarg, more below]

Workout

Squats
Bar x Lots
60 x 5
80 x 3
97.5 x 5 x 5 [again pretty easy]

Barbell Row
70 x 6, 6, 6 [kept the form pretty strict, quite pleased by this!]

Bench [warmed up w/ DBs while waiting to work in w/ a dude]
60 x 5
65 x 5
72.5 x 8 [nice, lost tightness on a couple of reps, so I think fresh+with better focus this could easily be 10+]

DB Incline
24 x 11, 8

Straight Bar Curl
40 x 4
35 x 5, 5
30 x 6
[So this wasn't w/ an oly bar, just a short straight bar, which I think may be heavier than the EZ bar, but IDK for sure]

Straight Bar Cable Pushdown
26.25 x 14, 14

Treadmill -- 3.8mph
15mins @ 6.5% -- 133 Avg BPM
15mins @ 7% -- 134 Avg BPM

Notes

Overate yesterday (hit about 2600kcal, which I think is probably around maintenance, though maybe a bit over on a day w/o a proper workout). Annoyed at self for doing that, but I just didn't plan well + ate some snacks that were in front of me. Refocussing today, that's one of only a few slipups I've had on this cut, and I bounced back well from the last carb-up. Today will be a light food day, aiming for ~1800kcal.

Happily waist @ navel measure was ~32" today so progress has been made recently regardless.

Gonna go to the track tomorrow for sure!
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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #298 on: October 04, 2017, 03:42:11 am »
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How is that treadmill-at-the-end thing working for you? Do you find it counter-acting with the weights or is it just an added benefit?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: warpspeed to the new scenario
« Reply #299 on: October 04, 2017, 04:44:15 am »
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How is that treadmill-at-the-end thing working for you? Do you find it counter-acting with the weights or is it just an added benefit?

It's super low impact since it's just walking and I'm doing it at a pretty easy HR when I do it point workout, so I think it's just an extra calorie burn + moderate cardio benefits. Stuff I've read suggests that cardi oafter a workout has negligible affect on gains, too.
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