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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2115 on: May 02, 2014, 08:14:19 am »
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^I am sure sprints play their (important) role. If i had to attribute the jumping progress to somewhere though, it would be the DJs and jump squats i've been doing the past 2 weeks. I could feel the jump-squat movement pattern in the SVJs and the depth jump movement pattern in the RVJ plants. But i don't like attributing good jumps to one thing only. For example, it could be the previous day buffered singles. Because legs actually felt like crap but sprints and jumps performance was great. So it could be a potentiation thing. Also the reduced bodyweight&bodyfat by themselves could lead to 1'' of gains. Generally, I am doing a multi-faceted training now and i am improving all aspects, so we can't tell what improves what. And i don't care much currently, I'll take it as it is! :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2116 on: May 02, 2014, 02:54:08 pm »
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2 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~88,5kg , weird, no reason to be that high.
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

ME JUMPS SESSION

-10' dynamic warmup

-Bunch of submax rim jumps from all approaches

RIM JUMPS:
4xSVJ : all 26'' , ties season best.
4xdropstep : 27'' to 28''
4x1-step-DLRVJs : 28 to 29'' , ties season best.
4x2-steps-DLRVJs : all 29'' , ties season best.
4xfull runup DLRVJ : all 29'' , ties season best.

Didn't do more because legs felt crap. Very stiff, tired, not feeling explosive or bouncy at all. However matched Wednesday's performance which was the best this year.
It would be nice if this is now my bad day. We will see...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2117 on: May 03, 2014, 04:36:06 am »
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Body composition measurements:

Exactly the same with 10 days ago:

Net morning weight : 87kg / 191,5lbs
Waist : 90cm / 35,4''

Online bodyfat estimation : 17.2%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 16.9%
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 17.05%

I expected some progress because the gym wet weight was dropping lately. No progress :(
Will try to reduce carbs a bit more, also up the volume of tempos.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2118 on: May 03, 2014, 01:12:45 pm »
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3 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~89,5kg , lol, definitely bloated or water or something
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE I , Week 2/3

Session A:

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Good to great.

JUMP SQUATS ( not rhythmic, reset each rep ):
8@20kg
8@20kg
-Good to great here too.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
6@82,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@87,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@92,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@92,5kg ( +2,5kg )
6@92,5kg ( +2,5kg )
-Brutal, still not adapted to the volume. Load not so heavy on back, just too many reps and sets. Got it anyway.

CHINUPS:
9@BW+10kg , ( +1 rep ) , :personal-record:
7@BW+10kg , ( -1 rep )
-Nice got my PR and it is the day that i was randomly 2kg heavier too. It is 99,5kg, most i have ever chined.

DIPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep ) , silly but still...  :personal-record:
6@BW
-Progress. I am now able to reverse them in the air. Still very weak though.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS CALVES 'RAISES':
10@450lbs
10@450lbs
10@450lbs ( +2 reps )
-Much stronger than last time. Good for more but i didn't hit 3x10 last time so had to stay at 450.

Very strong today, nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2119 on: May 03, 2014, 01:38:45 pm »
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What do you mean reverse in the air?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2120 on: May 04, 2014, 04:56:31 am »
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What do you mean reverse in the air?

It is quite embarrassing, here is the answer, from last week session:

DIPS:
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
-Damn hard. I can only do 3 normal reps each set, in the others i touch my feet on the ground and then push up. I don't push up with legs at all but i can't reverse it otherwise.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2121 on: May 05, 2014, 03:09:04 am »
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Ahh I see.

Well progress then.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2122 on: May 07, 2014, 04:43:27 am »
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Body composition update:
I am stuck at 87kg/191,5 lbs and 90cm/35½'' waist for 2 weeks now.
Not a big surprise because work has not allowed me to run as much as i wanted to lately.
Regardless, must step my game up and brake that barrier.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 04:45:09 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2123 on: May 07, 2014, 05:33:48 pm »
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7 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~88kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE I , Week 3/3

Session B:

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Mostly good, couple of great ones.

JUMP SQUATS ( not rhythmic, reset each rep ):
8@20kg
8@20kg
-Same with depth jumps.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
1@90kg ( -2,5kg )
1@100kg ( -2,5kg )
1@107,5kg
1@115kg ( +2,5kg ) , real 1RM  :personal-record:
1@105kg ( +2,5kg )
1@105kg ( +2,5kg )
1@100kg ( -2,5kg )
1@100kg ( -2,5kg )
-Changed the loading. Smoother now, jumps for the heavy single after last warmup set of 80kg are 10-10-7,5-7,5.
It worked, 115kg is again the most i have ever full squatted. True 1RM, very very hard rep.
The last 4 reps are supposed to be 90% 1RM but i took some weight off at the last two, to get some more speed-strength out of them.
I am amazed about what a big difference those 5kg make. 105kg singles are challenging, not grinders but hard. 100kg are speed reps.

BENCH PRESS:
7@65kg
7@65kg
-Better control than last two times but still not able to do an 8th rep.

PULLUPS:
6@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
6@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
-Yes, it is that silly PR, when it is the 2nd time in your life doing those so you get 1 rep more, lol.

PAUSED STANDING CALVES RAISES:
20@55kg
20@55kg ( +1 rep )
20@55kg ( +2 reps )
-Suddenly i am on a steady progress here. I attribute it to the heavy leg press 3x10 raises of the other session i've been doing lately.

SEATED WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
Forgot them, FFFFFUUUUUU.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 07:41:41 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2124 on: May 08, 2014, 03:15:03 pm »
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8 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : forgot to check
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

10' jogging

Dynamic warmup

3 mins rest

TEMPO RUNS:
5x100m @ 80%
5 mins rest
5@100m @ 80%
5 mins rest
5@100m @ 80%
-1 minute rest between runs.
I was able to do them steady at 19-20 seconds. Got too tired at 3d set though, time got to 22-23 seconds.
I was paying attention to the turns, LBSS you were right, even at 80% effort i have to decelerate to take the turn.
So anything over 80m ( which is the longest straight line there ) is useless for ME sprints. No prob for tempos though, it is TUT that matters in that case.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2125 on: May 10, 2014, 09:56:24 am »
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10 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~87,25kg, too low, ate too light yesterday and today until training.
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE I , Week 3/3

Session A:

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
JUMP SQUATS ( not rhythmic, reset each rep ):
-Was sort on time, gonna do them tomorrow.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
6@80kg ( -2,5kg )
6@87,5kg
6@95kg ( +2,5kg ) , ties 6RM  :personal-record:
6@90kg ( -2,5kg )
6@90kg ( -2,5kg )
-Not good. Legs were too weak. 95kg was too hard, so hard that i had to reduce the weight for the two remaining sets.
Maybe it was that i got only 4 hours of -bad- sleep, maybe too tired from the max singles and the 15x100 tempos of the previous days, maybe both.
Also the 6RM PR tie means nothing, i have much higher predicted 1RMs lately, i just never did 6 reps.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS CALVES 'RAISES':
10@460lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@460lbs ( +10 lbs )
8@460lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )

CHINUPS:
8@BW+10kg ( -1 rep )
8@BW+10kg ( +1 rep )
-I would have been better here but i had to do them at a different bar which was much thicker, it ruined my pulling mechanics somehow.

DIPS:
7@BW
7@BW ( +1 rep )
-Progress again. Much better control and depth. Total reps PR too.

Depth/form @ dips:

« Last Edit: May 10, 2014, 12:43:01 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2126 on: May 10, 2014, 12:43:33 pm »
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So the 'strength phase' of the periodization routine has ended. And with it the whole limit strength training of this season has ended too.
It went good, from September to now i got my predicted 1RM from 85kg to 120kg and my real 1RM from 90kg to 115kg, that is and 35kg/77lbs gain at predicted 1RM and 25kg/55lbs gain for real 1RM!!!
Of course those are inflated gains, because i was coming from 4 months of not lifting and before that i was still rehabing my injured quad. But still, the circumstances were those and the initial legit 1RMs were the ones i typed. Plus, i broke all the full squat PRs that i had before the injury.
:wowthatwasnutswtf:  :ibsquatting:

I will not do more limit strength training until holidays ( end July ) , gonna finish the periodization thing and then do just buffered singles to triples for maintenance and focus on jumping.

Speaking of the periodization routine, it is getting interesting now. Depth jumps height increases, the squat singles are all buffered ( no max ones ), the volume squatting day is replaced by 6x2 speed squats @ 60% , the jump squats go from 2x8 steady weight to 6x5 waveloaded , good stuff, can't wait!!!
« Last Edit: May 10, 2014, 12:48:18 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2127 on: May 10, 2014, 03:46:58 pm »
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Yeah this is a fun time. If anything, make sure you finish fresh your workouts. If not, then the weights are too heavy.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2128 on: May 12, 2014, 03:30:02 am »
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11 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Owed from Saturday session:

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Awesome, finally. Being able to absorb the impact totally and push back with full power. Great heights too.

JUMP SQUATS ( not rhythmic, reset each rep ):
8@20kg
8@20kg
-Awesome here too, feeling like i can accelerate till toe-off, it felt like i was running out of juice earlier in the previous sessions.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2129 on: May 12, 2014, 03:45:29 am »
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Wouldn't it be smarter if you did 3x5 or even 5x3 in the jump squats, maybe with less pause in between sets (1 minute tops, just to keep the workout shorter)?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps