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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1845 on: August 12, 2013, 11:20:28 am »
+1
just a question about the squat

I just did 55kg first set was good up to 5 reps, but form was a bit shaky.

so i should do a weight which i can do with good form and complete the required sets and reps i.e. 3x5, 4x5, 4x8 and also a weight which when squatting there is no grinding and slow movement when going up but should be done without grinding fluid one movement and with good depth and good form, until then i can move up a weight.

so i should go back down a weight to around 45-50kg and do it that way and if i fail, it should become easier the next time i attempt it as hypertrophy was induced even though if i failed in completing the rep as required.

what is wrong with you.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1846 on: August 12, 2013, 11:58:23 am »
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trying to understand vag's advice he gave me about making sure i complete the required reps an sets only than do i progress. so whenever someone gives me advice i like to clarfiy a few things.

Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1847 on: August 23, 2013, 05:03:10 am »
+2
22 August 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~85.5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #1

LEG EXTENSION:
3x20@25kg

HANG POWER CLEAN:

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
8@50kg
8@50kg
8@50kg
-Very light on back but legs too untrained, hamstrings/vmos jello after 1st set.

BENCH PRESS:
8@50kg
8@50kg
8@50kg
-Not bad.

BB BENT OVER ROW:
8@50kg
8@45kg
8@45kg
-50kg too heavy, got the reps but they were shaky so i lowered the load.

I AM BACK!

Plan details coming soon...
« Last Edit: August 23, 2013, 03:52:07 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1848 on: August 23, 2013, 03:41:01 pm »
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23 August 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~85.5kg
Soreness : VMOs, hamstrings, glutes, chest, lats, biceps, triceps.
Injuries/aches :  none

Recovery session:

LEG EXTENSION:
4x25@10kg

DB STRAIGHT LEG DEADLIFT:
4x20@10kg

Long lower body stretch routine.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1849 on: August 26, 2013, 06:56:52 am »
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So, the plan:

I will do what i did last year, Lance's 3-sets-progress. Is very easy, simple and had great progress with it. For those not familiar it calls for 3 working sets, you add weight when you reach a specific total reps range. For the first 2-3 months I will use 21-24 reps, which equals to 3x7-3x8. I am quite detrained so i need a GPP-style higher rep phase. So <21 reps = stay at the same load, >24 reps = add weight , 21-24 = act by feel. Then i will change the reps for the leg exercises, make it more intensity oriented, so i will be advancing at the 15-20 reps range ( 3x5-3x6).

I will use the same 3-days split i used last year, but i have to add o-lifts prior to squatting and also calves and abs work.
So it will be like:

Day 1:
Power clean 5x3
High bar back squat 3xF
Bench press 3xF
Bent over row 3xF
Calve raises 3x15
(Ab work)

Day 2:
RDL 3xF
Incline Bench 3xF
Upright rows 3xF
Biceps 3x12
Triceps 3x12

Day 3:
Jump snatch 3x5
Front squat 3xF
Overhead press 3xF
Chinups 3xF
Lance's SL calve raises 4x8
(Ab work)

3xF : Main lifts following the 3-sets-progress.
Fixed reps : Accessory lifts, those may be moved between days based on how it goes. If some days get too long ( e.g. day 1 ) might rearrange and e.g. move abs to day 2 or to an off day. The o-lifts however are not moving, those will always be done prior to squatting.

Off days : tempo runs, jumping, foam rolling, stretching. Hope to keep up with it.

Diet for now will be (clean)bulking on workout days, maintenance on off days. A rough plan is to bulk until chritmas ( ~3,5 months ) then start a big slow cut. I am around 84kg/15% bodyfat currently. Not so fanatic about diet plan, just that rough one, i will see how it goes during it and if it feels/looks wrong i will reevaluate.


Thoughts/objections always welcomed.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2013, 06:58:26 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1850 on: August 26, 2013, 10:12:31 am »
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seems solid, man.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1851 on: August 26, 2013, 03:50:37 pm »
+1
^Great! No big deal anyway, in my detrained state i don't need anything fancy, just a nice GPP scheme that is easy to track progress.

So let's get this rolling...

26 August 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : hamstrings. i think the 4x20 straight leg deadlifts caused extra stress instead of recovery.
Injuries/aches :  none

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #2

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5x20kg
3x30kg
3x40kg
3x50kg
3x50kg
-50kg form braking down, didn't add more.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
8@52,5kg ( +2,5kg )
8@52,5kg ( +2,5kg )
8@52,5kg ( +2,5kg )
Total reps = 24 ( same )
-Got my 24 reps with the increased load. Form and depth improved, good adaptation.

BENCH PRESS:
8@52,5kg ( +2,5kg )
7@52,5kg ( +2,5kg )
7@52,5kg ( +2,5kg )
Total reps = 22 ( -2 reps )
-Not bad. Got in the advance zone (21+ reps) but will stay here next workout too.

BB BENT OVER ROW:
8@47,5kg ( +2,5kg )
8@47,5kg ( +2,5kg )
8@47,5kg ( +2,5kg )
Total reps = 24 ( same )
-It is weird to track progress here because of variable back angle. Might switch to seated rows OR bent-over DB rows on a bench, more controllable/repeatable form.

CALVE RAISES:
Forgot those.
AB WORK:
Forgot those.
-Duh, the power of habit. Was used to get out of the gym after rows when i was doing the same split last year and so i did today.  :uhhhfacepalm:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1852 on: August 28, 2013, 02:49:11 pm »
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28 August 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : VMOs 3/5, hamstrings 2/5, glutes and outer quads 1/5
Injuries/aches :  none

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #3

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT:
8x60kg
8x60kg
8x60kg
Total reps = 24

INCLINE BENCH BB PRESS:
8@45kg
8@45kg
8@45kg
Total reps = 24

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
8@35kg
8@35kg
8@35kg
Total reps = 24

BICEPS EZ BAR CURL:
12@27kg
12@27kg
10@27kg
-Oops, failed at 11th rep of third set  :huh:

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
12@25kg
12@25kg
12@25kg
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1853 on: August 29, 2013, 02:24:05 pm »
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29 August 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~86,25kg
Soreness : shoulders, traps, chest
Injuries/aches :  none

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #4

JUMP SNATCH:
5@20kg
3@30kg
3@35kg
3@40kg
1@45kg
-Failed on the 2nd rep of last set.  >:(

FRONT SQUAT:
8x50kg
8x50kg
8x50kg
Total reps = 24

STANDING OVERHEAD PRES:
8@35kg
8@35kg
8@35kg
Total reps = 24

CHINUPS:
8@BW
6@BW
5@BW
Total reps = 19
-Weak. I will give it a couple more sessions to adapt and if i can't progress i will use the assisted chinups machine.  :-\

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
15@25kg
15@25kg
15@25kg
-First time doing abs at the gym after something like 5 years.  :o
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1854 on: August 29, 2013, 03:36:27 pm »
+1
-First time doing abs at the gym after something like 5 years.  :o

Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1855 on: August 29, 2013, 05:32:12 pm »
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lol what the hell is that from?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1856 on: August 29, 2013, 06:36:45 pm »
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1857 on: September 02, 2013, 03:12:27 pm »
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2 September 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~86,75kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #5

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5x20kg
3x30kg
3x40kg
3x50kg
1x55kg ( +5kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-50kg was tight this time. Upped to 55 for top set but failed to catch 2nd rep.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
10@55kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( +2 reps )
8@55kg ( +2,5kg )
8@55kg ( +2,5kg )
Total reps = 26 ( +2 reps )
-Weight goes up, difficulty goes down, you can't explain that!  8)

BENCH PRESS:
6@55kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( -2 reps )
8@55kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( +1 rep )
8@55kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( +1 rep )
Total reps = 22 ( same )
-Said i'd stay at the same weight but didn't. Got the same reps though. Next time i am staying for sure.

BB BENT OVER ROW:
SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
8@50kg ( +2,5kg )
8@50kg ( +2,5kg )
8@50kg ( +2,5kg )
Total reps = 24 ( same )
-Switched to seated rows as planned for more controllable/repeatable form.

CALVE RAISES:
-FUUUU, forgot those again.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1858 on: September 02, 2013, 05:14:33 pm »
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I see you are back to squatting. Nice. You probably have been for a while though.   :ibsquatting:

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1859 on: September 02, 2013, 07:54:47 pm »
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-Weight goes up, difficulty goes down, you can't explain that!  8)

Damn, am I the only one that saw the jab at Fox News?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps