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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1695 on: January 04, 2013, 06:33:32 am »
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Yeah , more or less the same i guess. Of course there's more to bodyfat than just weight/height/waist, but the differences should be small. You are on creatine though, that can skew measurements a lot ( big water weight ).
From what ive seen in your vids i look more muscular in upper. No idea about lower. I do carry all my fat on my belly , i always was like that, even when i was younger/thiner/leaner i never had abs, my body type is the typical skinny-fat. I was ~75kg in my early 20s yet i couldn't see more than 2-pack on my abs.
I have tiny wrists and ankles, small ( and unwilling to grow ) chest and relatively big arms (~16'' ) and thighs ( ~25'' ). Back and shoulders just fair.
I am willing to go down to 80kg now, i hate cutting and i like being ~90kg but i have to get lean before i bulk again.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 06:40:08 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1696 on: January 04, 2013, 06:49:08 am »
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I was at 67 kg up until 21 years old (when I weighed 64 kg). Skinny fat, no abs.

For me, I naturally have sucky pushing muscles (triceps, quads, chest, shoulders) and naturally good antagonists of these muscles (biceps, hamstrings, back) but at the same time, at least as far as the lowerbody goes, I USE the weak muscles more than the strong ones (since I'm in pretty excessive anterior pelvic tilt).

Also tiny wrists and ankles here and small chest. I have pretty beastly pulling strength, especially if I use a very narrow grip (maybe since that limits the contribution of the posterior deltoids?).

I'm not really taking creatine anymore, just every now and then, but I stopped about a week ago so I have no idea if it's out of the system or whatnot.

Considering all this, these are good reasons why I always thought you should be a good one-leg jumper and practice that instead of those ugly two-leg jumps... it stills remains a mystery to me why you're not. Obviously there are differences but you look to me like the kind of guy that has the potential to go up pretty good off one leg.

You have focused a ton on squats though without any calf or too much plyo work so...
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1697 on: January 04, 2013, 06:58:55 am »
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That SL obsession of yours is exhausting and irritating! I am not , never was and never be a good one leg jumper.
I started playing basketball and dreaming/trying to dunk when i was 12 years old, 26 years ago , when you were not even alive. If i was to be a good SL jumper , i would know by now!


You have focused a ton on squats though without any calf or too much plyo work so...

This is again wrong and i can't imagine how you assumed it with a detailed 3,5 years log in here in which you have more posts than anyone except me!
I have stopped doing calves only the last couple of months the last 5 years. My calves are big ( 16'' )  and strong, i have been repping 400+ on that smith setup.
I always did lunges, BSS, RDLs, depth jumps , depth drops , tucks , hp cleans , jump snatches, box squats, rea squats bla bla bla.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 07:10:26 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1698 on: January 04, 2013, 08:26:37 am »
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Well yeah, considering how weak you're at the full squat right now... definitely the weak point for you.

My point is that maybe you've made up your mind that the one-leg jump is not for you because you naturally tended to the two-leg jump and completely gave up on jumping off one, my suggestion was to try and see if you can get it up. It's easier to dunk off one leg with the ball in hand with a ball that you can palm than off two, especially as you're a LR planter and you need to use the left leg (which I suppose is not your strong hand) to really get extension on these two leg jumps.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1699 on: January 04, 2013, 08:44:19 am »
+1
Re squats : I am injured, that's why i am so weak at squats now. Before that, my squat was at ~240*5 , and that is at a stance slightly less than shoulder width. Actually stronger than you at that movement! :D

Re SL jumping : My previous message was the last one ( of MANY ) explaining to you why and how i am a DL jumper. I give up.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1700 on: January 04, 2013, 09:13:14 am »
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 :raging:
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1701 on: January 05, 2013, 11:54:25 am »
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5 January 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~188  :o
Soreness : quads 4.5/5 , glutes/hamstrings/abductors 3.5/5
Injuries/aches : none?

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #19

LEG EXTENSIONS:
20@50 lbs
20@50 lbs
20@50 lbs
Tempo 4:0:4 , brutal, burn.

LEG PRESS MACHINE:
20@200 lbs
20@200 lbs
20@200 lbs
Tempo 3:0:3 , brutal, burn.

STANDING OHP:
6@88 lbs ( -5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
5@88 lbs ( -5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
5@88 lbs ( -5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
Total : 16 reps ( -5reps )
-Very weak.

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
8@BW ( same )
7@BW ( same )
5@BW ( -2 reps )
Total = 20 ( -2 reps )
-Very weak here too, lat time i did 22reps@BW+11lbs

Notes:
-Fake bodyweight, training was AM and coming after a 1600kcals day.
-Was too sore to check quad status. All leg muscles hurt at the slightest contraction or touch. However i did a bunch of BW lunges/box pistols/box stepups and it feels 100%.
-No soreness in pecks and lats despite benching and rowing after 1 month. Must have been the low volume ( <15 reps ).
-I think i will readjust diet plan for a while. Too bored of cutting all the time and also cutting+coming back from 1 month detraining sucks. I will go on a caloric surplus on workout days , 2500 to 3000, and i will try to intensify cutting in the other days ( currently at ~1800, will try to stay at 1600 ). Will try to add cardio on off days too but not sure i can trust me on keeping up with that. I will try this plan for a month or so and see what happens.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1702 on: January 05, 2013, 12:53:52 pm »
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Nice job on those slow tempo exercises. Sometimes when I do slow tempo work I feel like cheating a few reps and going faster just to rest (lose tension for just a bit), not sure if it happens to you too.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1703 on: January 06, 2013, 02:48:09 pm »
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^I was perfectly fine with leg extensions, i had this happen at leg press though. Probably because they were heavier. I did not speed up , but i had to pause at the ROM top to get a few breaths around rep 12 in each set, 20 reps 3:0:3 with 200 lbs was exhausting.

The slow tempo high rep thing worked , DOMS went away today. Quad seems fine too, bw lunges and box pistols are totally bug-free. Didn't try full pistols, want to give it some rest.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1704 on: January 07, 2013, 01:23:16 pm »
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Quad bugs a bit today. Slightly but it does. Gonna see a doctor, FML.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1705 on: January 08, 2013, 02:35:57 pm »
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8 January 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~191
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template  - workout #20

LEG EXTENSIONS:
10@35lbs each leg
10@35lbs each leg

LEG PRESS MACHINE:
10@100 lbs each leg
10@100 lbs each leg

SQUATS:
5@BW
5@44lbs ( empty bar )
5@88lbs
3@132lbs
2@176lbs
1@198lbs
-My paranoid quad decided to be perfectly healthy and powerful today.
176 great form, 198 not so good but ok. First time squatting above BW after injury.
Still going to the doctor.

BENCH PRESS:
6@143 ( +2 reps )
6@143 ( +2 reps )
5@143 ( +1 rep )
Total : 17 ( +5 reps )
-Nice, strenf catching up fast.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
8@143 ( +3 reps )
8@143 ( +3 reps )
8@143 ( +3 reps )
Total : 24 ( +9 reps )
-Nice, strenf catching up even faster here.

-Foam roll

-Stretch
« Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 02:45:55 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1706 on: January 09, 2013, 01:26:22 pm »
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Quad bugs again today. Again slightly but still there.
Did double session of foam rolling and stretching , felt great.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1707 on: January 09, 2013, 02:02:52 pm »
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In other news:
I decided to modify the 2nd training day of the week and stop working out arms. I haven't worked out for 1 month and they are still at 40cm ( 15 3/4'' ). Big arms are nice and all but i am beginning to feel they are a bit disproportional to my upper body, if such a thing exists. Anyway I prefer to give chest and shoulders some more emphasis since they are both weak and small. So here is the new schedule:

Day 1:
Back squats ---> cancelled until i get doctor examination and advice, replace with slow tempo light weight unilateral leg extensions & leg press.
Bench press
Seated rows

Day 2:
RDL
Biceps ---> DB inline bench press
Triceps ---> DB shoulder flyes

Day3:
Front squats ---> cancelled until i get doctor examination and advice, replace with slow tempo light weight unilateral leg extensions & leg press.
OHP
Chinups

Now i am disturbing the push/pull balance since i have 4 pushes and 2 pulls. But i am restoring a balance of 2 chest - 2 back - 2 shoulder exercises per week when i had 1 chest - 1 shoulders - 2 back.

:lololol:
« Last Edit: January 09, 2013, 02:04:52 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1708 on: January 10, 2013, 02:36:24 pm »
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Double session of foam rolling and stretching , felt great.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1709 on: January 12, 2013, 10:33:05 am »
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12 January 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~188.5 , AM
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #21

LEG EXTENSIONS:
15@20 lbs each leg
15@20 lbs each leg
15@20 lbs each leg
Tempo 3:3:3

LEG PRESS MACHINE:
15@50 lbs each leg
15@50 lbs each leg
15@50 lbs each leg
Tempo 4:1:4
-Then maxed out my right leg for fun, ended up at 300lbs,  :personal-record: , most i have done is 1x500 with both legs.

STANDING OHP:
8@88 lbs ( +2 reps )
7@88 lbs ( +2 reps )
7@88 lbs ( +2 reps )
Total : 22 reps ( +6 reps )
-Very nice, strenf catching up.

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
10@BW ( +2 reps )
8@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW ( +1 rep )
Total = 24 reps ( +4 reps )
-Very nice, strenf catching up here too.

No quad bugging the last 2 days but who cares. Going for an MRI scan ASAP.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?