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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1515 on: August 31, 2012, 02:26:25 pm »
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31 August 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~189,5
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Starting Strength - workout #19

SQUATS:
5@165 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@165 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
4@165 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
-Form was so and so today, some good reps , some bad. There was more forward lean than i want but definitely less than last time i reached 165 before holidays.
I will stay at that weight and try to improve form for the next sessions, either get 3x5 at perfect form or deload 10%.

SEATED OHP:
5@104,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@104,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@104,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Very hard. I expected it easier based on last week's 99.

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
8@Bodyweight ( +1 rep )
6@Bodyweight ( same )
5@Bodyweight ( +1 rep )
Total = 19 ( +6 reps )
-Those felt strong.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1516 on: August 31, 2012, 03:05:38 pm »
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I just don't get it... how can you struggle with 75 kg when you can half squat ~140?
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1517 on: September 01, 2012, 07:41:25 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on August 31, 2012, 03:05:38 pm
I just don't get it... how can you struggle with 75 kg when you can half squat ~140?

I don't get it either. But a few observations :
-The ~300+ squats where more like quarters than halfs, knees angle was ~90 degrees.
-Body leverages, although it sounds like an excuse my long legs dont favour full squats.
-My injury has thrown me back, when i was doing 300+ partials my parallel squat would be around 220-230x5.

Was just reading this from kellyb yesterday:

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As a personal example when I first began training seriously I trained for a good 3-4 years performing half squats because I didn't know any better and half squats are what we were taught in school. When I learned what a legal squat was my poundages went all the way from around 300 down to around 185, BUT despite the significantly lesser weights I started making really good vert gains and gained quite a bit of muscle on my thighs. I've seen the same thing happen in countless other trainees.

And kelly describes this as half squat at the same article:



So i guess my 100+ lbs quarter to below parallel squat diff is not that weird afterall...
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 07:54:51 am by vag »
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1518 on: September 01, 2012, 08:05:57 am »
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Then how do you explain my difference between a my below parallel squat (best of 140x5 or 155 1RM) to my half (or quarter squat) of hardly doing 150x5?
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1519 on: September 02, 2012, 01:11:48 am »
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Quote from: vag on August 22, 2012, 05:14:32 pm
Lance , i transferred my quad pain discussion at the following thread in your Q&A section as it is incredibly similar/relevant:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/sts-qa/pain-in-right-quad/

Also this is journal post #1500 ,  :personal-record:  :headbang:  :highfive:

:wowthatwasnutswtf:

so much blood sweat & tears detailed in here, and on your youtube.

heel that quad up and start flyin again.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1520 on: September 03, 2012, 05:31:04 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on September 01, 2012, 08:05:57 am
Then how do you explain my difference between a my below parallel squat (best of 140x5 or 155 1RM) to my half (or quarter squat) of hardly doing 150x5?

I can't explain it. If we were talking about a small ROM difference it would be more reasonable, but quarter to below parallel is a totaly different excercise. Ive gone up to 170kg in quarters when my parallel 1RM was ~110kg.


Quote from: adarqui on September 02, 2012, 01:11:48 am

:wowthatwasnutswtf:

so much blood sweat & tears detailed in here, and on your youtube.

heel that quad up and start flyin again.

pc vag

Thanks so much Andrew. It's been a lovely journey so far, hope i can keep it up for much more!
Glad to see you getting 'active' on the forum again, rewatched your re-uploaded dunk vids on youtube too, so much dope!
I ain't gonna go "yo adarq, get back to training" like everyone else, i've been where you are now. I totally dumped training for like 5 years , between 28 and 33 or sth. Then it came back to me overnight and you know the rest. Maybe it will come back to you , maybe not. I sure hope it does, no rush though!
Cheers man!
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1521 on: September 03, 2012, 06:24:49 am »
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The truth is that when I do 1/4 squats I use a much narrower stance than when I squat "full"... this might have something to do with it.

Did you use the same stance when you did 170 as in your normal 110 squat?
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1522 on: September 03, 2012, 02:21:40 pm »
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^ My stance would be more or less the same at fulls and partials, maybe just a bit narrower at partials.

3 September 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad

Starting Strength - workout #20

SQUATS :
4@165 lbs ( same ) ,  ( -1 rep )
3@165 lbs ( same ) ,  ( -2 reps )
1@165 lbs ( same ) ,  ( -3reps )
-Left quad hurting again out of nowhere. Ruined my squatting , FML!

BENCH PRESS:
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Very strong for my standards , 143 was lightweight. Probably the missing squats fatigue.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
5@154 lbs ( +11 lbs )
5@154 lbs ( +11 lbs )
5@154 lbs ( +11 lbs )
-Hard but got it. Unfortunately that machine has only 5kg(11lbs) plates.

Fuck my quad. Must stretch and foam roll more. Let's see what happens till Friday.

Edit: Later , IT band foam rolling. Weirdly there was no discomfort or pain , most 'painless' foam rolling session so far.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2012, 02:48:16 pm by vag »
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1523 on: September 03, 2012, 03:09:50 pm »
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Does it hurt if you deadlift?
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1524 on: September 04, 2012, 04:00:45 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on September 03, 2012, 03:09:50 pm
Does it hurt if you deadlift?

Not really , last time i tried somewhere in June while quad was realy bad i PRed at 140kg(308lbs). BUT i think that above 120kg (264lbs) back is taking over, it seems i have a very strong lower back able to handle huge loads so when legs fail back takes over.
I will keep as i am now, if deloading squats doesn't work either i will consider replacing squats with deadlifts for a while and keep the deadlifts at the maximum load that feels leg-driven.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1525 on: September 04, 2012, 02:18:00 pm »
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4 September 2012

Went at the park. Shot around uptempo for bloodflow+cardio and tried out my jumping.
Did 4 SVJs,  all at 26''-27'' , no quad bugging.
Then a couple of dropsteps , 29''-30''. No quad bugging either but decided not to push more.
Then more shooting around. At the end (~45'') i landed a hard lefty RVJ dunk at 9'8''. Damn , feels so nice to throw down, i missed that!
So ~2'' up on my jumps , back to 30''s , back to dunking. Not bad , no rush either...  :headbang:

Then stretching and IT band foam rolling.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1526 on: September 05, 2012, 02:08:16 pm »
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5 September 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~189
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad

Starting Strength - workout #21

ROMANIAN DEADLIFTS:
5@231lbs ( +11 lbs )
5@231lbs ( +11 lbs )
3@231lbs ( +11 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-No gloves + sweaty hands , lost grip at last set. Weight was light.

LEG EXTENSIONS:
4x20@55lbs

BICEPS EZ-BAR CURLS:
12@70,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
12@70,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
10@70,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Half plate on the EZ bar, sweet! Burned out at 3d set though, couldn't complete 12 reps.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS:
12@66 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
12@66 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
12@66 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Very hard but got it.

-IT band foam rolling.
-Stretching.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1527 on: September 06, 2012, 02:28:46 pm »
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6 September 2012

-Long lower body stretch routine.
-IT band foam rolling.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1528 on: September 07, 2012, 01:47:58 pm »
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7 September 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~192,3
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none?

Starting Strength - workout #22

SQUATS:
4@165 lbs
5@165 lbs ( +2 reps )
3@165 lbs ( +2 reps )
-Strike 3 , I'm out! Quad was not really bugging today and form was good. I am just weak as shit at full squats.
Let's see how the deload will work.

SEATED OHP:
4@110 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
4@110 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
4@110 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
-VERY hard. The difficulty from the ROM difference from chin to lower neck is unbelievable.

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
8@Bodyweight ( same )
7@Bodyweight ( +1 rep )
5@Bodyweight ( same )
Total = 20 ( +1 reps )
-Hard but strong.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1529 on: September 10, 2012, 02:15:48 pm »
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10 September 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191,5
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad

Starting Strength - workout #23

SQUATS :
5@132 lbs ( -33 lbs )
-Felt quad bugging a bit so only did 1 set after warmups. Will suck it up and reduce volume, must heal that quad!
Not sure about form , see pic commentary below.

BENCH PRESS:
4@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
4@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
4@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
-Nice.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
5@165 lbs ( +11 lbs )
5@165 lbs ( +11 lbs )
5@165 lbs ( +11 lbs )
-Very nice.



Today i focused on descending and ascending with chest up. I got the most upright squats so far, but that also caused knees to travel more forward and the bar to shift more towards my toes.
So is this squat better or worse that the previous ones? I really can't tell...
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Quote from: adarqui on May 17, 2021, 04:57:01 pm
it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?
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